Rape Academy

Pinball1970 said:
That's a joke yet some serial killers ate their victims. I hope you realise that will now normalize that behaviour for serial killers. They may have just kept on the straight path to repeat kills in the same profile without the cabalistic feature but now that joke is out....
Fiend.
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The word Ni**er is not funny although the word Ni is.

Is this funny?

 
Pinball1970 said:
You didn't find the engineer part funny?
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It trivializes rape. When you found that joke to be funny, did you just ignore the part where the young girl was raped??

Is rape just so normalized that it is just glossed over with a laugh? What message does that send?
 
DaveC426913 said:
It trivializes rape. When you found that joke to be funny, did you just ignore the part where the young girl was raped??

Is rape just so normalized that it is just glossed over with a laugh? What message does that send?
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It's not real it's a fucking joke FFS! And She wasn't raped, that's the whole point, they were too lazy. Look I won't pretend that joke is not funny, it is well worked out and can be easily adapted to a department of ones choice.
Perhaps I'm a bit more rough round the edges?
 
Pinball1970 said:
It's not real it's a fucking joke FFS! And She wasn't raped, that's the whole point, they were too lazy. Look I won't pretend that joke is not funny, it is well worked out and can be easily adapted to a department of ones choice.
Perhaps I'm a bit more rough round the edges?
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Haha a girl got raped.
 
Is this funny (we may as well get a few of these out of the way)

My girlfriend said, "treat me like a princess."

So I got in my Mercedes and drove her into a wall.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Do I have to explain the joke to you Dave?
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What makes you think I don't understand the joke? You are dodging the issue. Do I have to explain to you that the joke is premised on someone getting raped? Or does that just blow past you as normal, like she got coffee spilled on her?


Pinball1970 said:
More importantly, did you find my "Ni" joke funny?
Please give examples in your answer.
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Sorry, I have not seen any such joke. Best I can find is this post, but there's no joke there.


Pinball1970 said:
DaveC426913 said:
That would be a lewd joke. Not sure I'd call it sexist.
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But it's saying women are gold diggers at heart.
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No it isn't. She's speaking for herself, not for all womankind.



Look, you find one type of slur funny but the other you find totally unacceptable. I'm trying to see why you think there's a difference.
Again: racism bad, rape OK? I don't get it.



I'm not trying to hammer you with this. It seems to be part of the core of your argument though. So it seems pretty fair game. It seems pretty unfair to make a statement and then ask that I just "drop it". If you want it dropped, why not - dunno - maybe acknowledge you were young and foolish and now it's not funny because it's premised on an abhorrent act?
 
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Pinball1970 said:
The word Ni**er is not funny although the word Ni is.
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I think you're going to have to bring us a shrubbery now. Ni! Ni!
Pinball1970 said:
Is this funny (we may as well get a few of these out of the way)

My girlfriend said, "treat me like a princess."

So I got in my Mercedes and drove her into a wall.
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I think that one is funny (albeit with a groan) because it is irreverent and plays on people's weariness of adulation of the royals. We know it's not promoting automobile accidents or hounding by paparazzi.
 
Pinball1970 said:
Is this funny (we may as well get a few of these out of the way)

My girlfriend said, "treat me like a princess."

So I got in my Mercedes and drove her into a wall.
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That's kind of funny in a "too soon!" kind of way. (though it took me a moment to get it. You live there, so it's likely a lot closer to-mind for you.)

It's a specific incident - and an accident - not a societal crime that promulgates institutionalized violence against a vulnerable population.
 
Pinball1970 said:
We are talking gateway behaviours. Telling jokes about women can lead to rape, I think that is fucking stupid bullshit.
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And has almost nothing to do with whether chemists become terrorists or not. One example is behavior that supports rape culture; the other is that skills can be misused for bad purposes.

And no, "telling jokes about women" doesn't lead directly to rape. But if someone grows up in an environment where the norm is sexist/misogynist/rape jokes, then he is more likely to think it's acceptable to at least some degree.

A chemist doing chemistry can lead to bomb making, is this stupid as well or not?
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A chemist has the basic skills to make a bomb, yes. But if a chemist does not do chemistry he's not a chemist, so the term "a chemist doing chemistry" makes little sense. And nothing about chemistry INSPIRES someone to kill other people. That's not the same when talking about "funny" sexist/misogynist/rape jokes.
If you want something more direct, why don't I go around killing animals for fun? Each chemical has an MSDS with LD50 and LC50, Those animals served a purpose, that purpose was to die for my data, 50% from being poisoned and the rest euthanized. It's almost like they are subhuman, inferior, and here for our pleasure. Why don't I take pleasure from shooting rabbits, birds, rats in my spare time? For fun? Are not animals dehumanized in my eyes, like women jokes?
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You're off in the weeds here and getting very defensive. Not sure why. No one is saying you are a rapist or a bad person.
 
Let me see if I can 'splain with a rough diagram.

This is not scientific, I'm simply trying to get across a general point.


The diagram (which I made up) represents people's dispositions about the opposite sex in general. The large majority of people fall in the middle, at the peak of the orange Bell Curve. A small percentile have little or no tolerance and a small percentile of people are overtly and aggressively sexist.

Whether truly accurate or not, I think we can agree, attitudes, by-and large, form a Bell Curve. Most peopel ni themiddle, few people have extreme attitudes.

So: davec has low tolerance, pinball has slightly more tolerance, Archie Bunker is a bigot. Greepy McGrabberson is a menace.

The dots for each simply represent a range individual incidents for that person - a joke here, an innuendo, etc. Some are tame, some more spicy.

But look what happens if society overall becomes more tolerant. The orange curve pushes to the right, becoming the red curve.

Creepy McGrabberson's worst behaviors (the right dots in his green cluster) now become more acceptable (in his view). His sexual aggression -which was beyond tolerability before - is now within society's tolerance.

In fact, the entire striped grey area is filled with people whose behavior was not tolerated in a society with low tolerance but now all those people feel that society will tolerate the transgressions that they couldn't enact before - or, at the least, they feel they can get away with them. That's a LOT of people who are now emboldened by society's shifting guardrails.

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(Notice, by the way, how this addresses your "gateway" theory (which is not what we were proffering). Individuals don't move around. Individuals stay where they are. pinball may have a predilection for off-colour jokes, but he does not slide across the chart - pinball does not suddenly decide to rape someone. Off-colour jokes are not a "gateway" for pinball to change his behavior. The worst he might do - in a more tolerant society - is increase the incidence of things he's already doing (his rightmost dots). Perhaps off-colour jokes are more acceptable in the office or some such. So, tolerance is not a gateway; it is a filter that opens wide.)
 
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TheVat said:
We know it's not promoting automobile accidents or hounding by paparazzi.
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Holy fuck! You mean you saw the post as a comment on a real historical situation? That could be argued was in bad taste? But the construction regarding the boyfriend taking his girlfriend's comment literally, linking her request to a tragic event which would be obviously the last thing she wanted, to everyone but the boyfriend, was funny? Like a joke?
 
DaveC426913 said:
In fact, the entire striped grey area is filled with people whose behavior was not tolerated in a society with low tolerance but now all those people feel that society will tolerate the transgressions that they couldn't enact before - or, at the least, they feel they can get away with them. That's a LOT of people who are now emboldened by society's shifting guardrails.
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Your bell curves were clever and did help your point - my one problem is that it needs a thin blue line. I.e. while there are attitude shifts in society, the law tends to remain more stable on sexual transgressions. The striped area could shift, but people might still understand that McGrabby's dots in the aggro/violence area are still beyond the thin blue line which rises vertically through the graph. But you may fairly suggest that juries could be influenced by the bell curve shift and result being a drop in convictions. DK, I think they would still convict where violence is physical.

Raises interesting questions, as this whole thread has been doing.
 
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