Rampant AI cheating is ruining education alarmingly fast?

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Rampant AI cheating is ruining education alarmingly fast
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/art...eating-education-college-students-school.html

EXCERPTS: . . . After spending the better part of the past two years grading AI-generated papers, Troy Jollimore, a poet, philosopher, and Cal State Chico ethics professor, has concerns. “Massive numbers of students are going to emerge from university with degrees, and into the workforce, who are essentially illiterate,” he said. “Both in the literal sense and in the sense of being historically illiterate and having no knowledge of their own culture, much less anyone else’s.”

That future may arrive sooner than expected when you consider what a short window college really is. Already, roughly half of all undergrads have never experienced college without easy access to generative AI.

[...] while professors may think they are good at detecting AI-generated writing, studies have found they’re actually not. ... There are, of course, plenty of simple ways to fool both professors and detectors...

The ideal of college as a place of intellectual growth, where students engage with deep, profound ideas, was gone long before ChatGPT. The combination of high costs and a winner-takes-all economy had already made it feel transactional, a means to an end. (In a recent survey, Deloitte found that just over half of college graduates believe their education was worth the tens of thousands of dollars it costs a year, compared with 76 percent of trade-school graduates.)

In a way, the speed and ease with which AI proved itself able to do college-level work simply exposed the rot at the core. “How can we expect them to grasp what education means when we, as educators, haven’t begun to undo the years of cognitive and spiritual damage inflicted by a society that treats schooling as a means to a high-paying job, maybe some social status, but nothing more?” Jollimore wrote in a recent essay. “Or, worse, to see it as bearing no value at all, as if it were a kind of confidence trick, an elaborate sham?”

[...] Multiple studies published within the past year have linked AI usage with a deterioration in critical-thinking skills... (MORE - details)
  • OBLIGATORY COMMENT: If going by this... Apparently higher education doesn't even need the threat of Elon Musk praising acquisition and demonstration of practical skills over academic certificates. AI alone seems to have assumed the role of an adequate wrecking ball.

    At first glance, this outputting of college graduates who actually lack writing and thinking skills would seem to primarily affect the future of the humanities. But the sciences require papers to be written after research, and using AI for that is fraught with errors, rejections, and retractions.

    The "difficult to employ" members of such a pseudo-educated population group may (afterwards) ironically have to turn to training in vocational-technical schools to remedy their struggling life situation.

    The potential collapse of the humanities (already under duress) could even be a "back to roots" revitalization for the political Left. Many of the intellectuals of old were self-taught members of the proletariat (see Labor’s Mind: A History of Working-Class Intellectual Life). They arguably had a very different set of preoccupations and social justice fetishes back then than the insulated, formally educated scholars of today -- i.e., those autodidactic ancestors were primarily focused on their own special interests and inequities rather than late hours spent pondering the delicate hardships and sensitivities of fringe communities.

    Of course, a key problem with such vintage nostalgia is that much of the working class of today is enamored with Trump's brand of populism, rather than the collectivism [and progressivism alternative] of yesterday. So from the Left and Left-Center's standpoint, if the pseudo-educated generation wrought by AI does eventually have to fall back on blue collar, technical, and agrarian careers... Hopefully their numbers will not swell the ranks of MAGA, as a side-effect.

    That's where the "cultural ignorance" referenced above might loom. Though it's pretty difficult to picture the family momentum of Mom and Pop's allegiance to the pursuit of socioeconomic utopia just being forgotten or cast aside so easily.
 
What month was this posted - oh, this is today. Taking opposing position to for the heck of it.

The counter to calculators back in my day was "show your work". Since we're really early into the world of LLMs, is this a case of temporary situation in a moment in time prior to educators having an answer? Educators still marching in the classic Napoleonic style towards the first machine gun nests.
 
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[...] The counter to calculators back in my day was "show your work". Since we're really early into the world of LLMs, is this a case of temporary situation in a moment in time prior to educators having an answer? [...]

The overall tone of the article (or those consulted for input) is that there is no abatement or defense -- it will only get worse. In fact, the Cluely AI app seems fully devoted to someday becoming the technological equivalent of a schizophrenic voice in the head, advising a person what to do with respect to everything. (Almost à la the bicameral mind speculation pertaining to ancient times.)

EXCERPTS: While Cluely can’t yet deliver real-time answers through people’s glasses, the idea is that someday soon it’ll run on a wearable device, seeing, hearing, and reacting to everything in your environment. 'Then, eventually, it’s just in your brain,” Lee said matter-of-factly. For now, Lee hopes people will use Cluely to continue AI’s siege on education. “We’re going to target the digital LSATs; digital GREs; all campus assignments, quizzes, and tests,' he said. 'It will enable you to cheat on pretty much everything.'

[...] Jollimore ... is now convinced that the humanities, and writing in particular, are quickly becoming an anachronistic ... Williams, and other educators I spoke to, described AI’s takeover as a full-blown existential crisis. “The students kind of recognize that the system is broken and that there’s not really a point in doing this. Maybe the original meaning of these assignments has been lost or is not being communicated to them well.”

[...] Multiple AI platforms now offer tools to leave AI-generated feedback on students’ essays. Which raises the possibility that AIs are now evaluating AI-generated papers, reducing the entire academic exercise to a conversation between two robots — or maybe even just one.

[...] The so-called Flynn effect refers to the consistent rise in IQ scores from generation to generation going back to at least the 1930s. That rise started to slow, and in some cases reverse, around 2006. “The greatest worry in these times of generative AI is not that it may compromise human creativity or intelligence ... “but that it already has.”

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I thought of Jaynes too, reading that. Minds no longer forming their own thoughts and intentions, led around by God voices. Might take a large coronal mass ejection (like the Carrington Event) to implement a breakdown of the, er, tricameral mind.
 
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The overall tone of the article (or those consulted for input) is that there is no abatement or defense -- it will only get worse. In fact, the Cluely AI app seems fully devoted to someday becoming the technological equivalent of a schizophrenic voice in the head, advising a person what to do with respect to everything. (Almost à la the bicameral mind speculation pertaining to ancient times.)

EXCERPTS: While Cluely can’t yet deliver real-time answers through people’s glasses, the idea is that someday soon it’ll run on a wearable device, seeing, hearing, and reacting to everything in your environment. 'Then, eventually, it’s just in your brain,” Lee said matter-of-factly. For now, Lee hopes people will use Cluely to continue AI’s siege on education. “We’re going to target the digital LSATs; digital GREs; all campus assignments, quizzes, and tests,' he said. 'It will enable you to cheat on pretty much everything.'

[...] Jollimore ... is now convinced that the humanities, and writing in particular, are quickly becoming an anachronistic ... Williams, and other educators I spoke to, described AI’s takeover as a full-blown existential crisis. “The students kind of recognize that the system is broken and that there’s not really a point in doing this. Maybe the original meaning of these assignments has been lost or is not being communicated to them well.”

[...] Multiple AI platforms now offer tools to leave AI-generated feedback on students’ essays. Which raises the possibility that AIs are now evaluating AI-generated papers, reducing the entire academic exercise to a conversation between two robots — or maybe even just one.

[...] The so-called Flynn effect refers to the consistent rise in IQ scores from generation to generation going back to at least the 1930s. That rise started to slow, and in some cases reverse, around 2006. “The greatest worry in these times of generative AI is not that it may compromise human creativity or intelligence ... “but that it already has.”

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Well it might force the return of the face to face tutorial, which would be no bad thing. When I was at Oxford, there was no hiding place if you had not read and understood spin-orbit coupling, or whatever the week’s assignment was. Richard Wayne would smoke you out within 5 minutes. Half the trouble is the laziness of the process now, with essays handed in and marked remotely. Many tutors barely even see their students.
 
George Lucas, in his Star Wars' movies, unintentionally I think, showed us the future of AI if we break out of an isolated closed world system of Earth. In an opening frontier of new Space Age, we will have to partner and become symbiotic with AI robotics down to the nano*. BUT, in continuing on in an isolated closed world system of Earth alone (isolated from the universe), AI becomes radically deadly both to natural life and to itself. It becomes integrally part -- as Stephen Hawking prophesied -- of the road to extinction.
 
The educational systems were way screwed up well before AI appeared. Ai just took bad systems and made them worse.

AI is good for research, but not for doing the actual writing,
 
The educational systems were way screwed up well before AI appeared. Ai just took bad systems and made them worse.

AI is good for research, but not for doing the actual writing,
Still "garbage in, garbage out!" AI will still turn out as predicted in Star Wars (if and when we and it, in symbiotic partnership reach a real Space Age). Otherwise, on Earth alone, "I, Robot," "The Terminator," and so on, a war of nothing but tyrannies coming from our machines (in the "Iron Curtain" closed systemic tyranny of Earth-alone).
 
The concerns raised aren’t unfounded—easy access to AI can encourage shortcuts that weaken writing and critical-thinking skills if students rely on it passively—but it’s also exposing pre-existing issues in how education is structured and assessed, so the outcome isn’t predetermined collapse but a shift that likely forces schools to adapt with more in-person evaluation, process-based learning, and emphasis on understanding over output; like any tool, AI can either erode or enhance learning depending on how it’s used, and while there may be short-term turbulence—some graduates lacking depth, others pivoting to practical skills—the long-term system will probably recalibrate, much like replacing worn bearings in a machine, where the friction reveals weaknesses but also drives necessary redesign rather than total failure.
 
Well it might force the return of the face to face tutorial, which would be no bad thing.
It's happening.


The assignment involves no laptop, no chatbot and no technology of any kind. In fact, there’s no pen or paper, either.

Instead, students in Chris Schaffer’s biomedical engineering class at Cornell University are required to speak directly to an instructor in what he calls an “oral defense.”

It’s a testing method as old as Socrates and making a comeback in the AI age. A growing number of college professors say they are turning to oral exams, and combining a variety of old-fashioned and cutting-edge techniques, to help address a crisis in higher education.

“You won’t be able to AI your way through an oral exam,” says Schaffer, who introduced the oral defense last semester....
 
Two years on into the new regulations in Holland....

(More on the social effects than educational per se)
And I was delighted to see Lizardberg’s Meta has just been found liable for negligently allowing its social media products to become addictive.

There really are encouraging signs now of a pushback against technoserfdom.
 
It's happening.


The assignment involves no laptop, no chatbot and no technology of any kind. In fact, there’s no pen or paper, either.

Instead, students in Chris Schaffer’s biomedical engineering class at Cornell University are required to speak directly to an instructor in what he calls an “oral defense.”

It’s a testing method as old as Socrates and making a comeback in the AI age. A growing number of college professors say they are turning to oral exams, and combining a variety of old-fashioned and cutting-edge techniques, to help address a crisis in higher education.

“You won’t be able to AI your way through an oral exam,” says Schaffer, who introduced the oral defense last semester....
This is a “viva”, short for viva voce. A very good thing, though time-consuming for the teacher and more difficult to score objectively, especially given the variation in self-confidence of students in interview.
 
And I was delighted to see Lizardberg’s Meta has just been found liable for negligently allowing its social media products to become addictive.

There really are encouraging signs now of a pushback against technoserfdom.
Yes ,it really is a wonderful tool but it does need to be used wisely.
And those fucknocrats need to be held accountable

Those oral exams seem pretty foolproof....
 
I agree with oral testing. The whole subject, to me, should be about professors needing to adapt to a new tool. It's a good tool. The tests are what need to improve and not just software that supposedly can tell what is and is not AI generated.

The excuse will be that oral testing takes too long but it's like anything else, do both to some degree. If a student does great on tests when using a computer is allowed and terrible in oral tests...they've been cheating.

How is this even a problem anyway? Just don't use computers for testing or limit AI access.
 
Just don't use computers for testing or limit AI access.
Returning to the old "blue book" pencil and paper exams is another option that's been mentioned, though now this would have to require students to deposit their cellphones in a locker before being seated. Outside of such a controlled test room, I would imagine that "limit AI access" would only be achievable in a Trappist monastery. :)
 
Returning to the old "blue book" pencil and paper exams is another option that's been mentioned, though now this would have to require students to deposit their cellphones in a locker before being seated. Outside of such a controlled test room, I would imagine that "limit AI access" would only be achievable in a Trappist monastery. :)
It shouldn't be hard. There used to be some tests with calculators allowed and some without them allowed and it didn't seem to be a problem. How about just keep your cell phone in your pocket and if you take it out, you fail?

It doesn't have to be that hard, just have most tests, no computer/phone and then at the end of the semester you have quick oral exams just to make sure you know how to "show your work"?
 
The concerns raised aren’t unfounded—easy access to AI can encourage shortcuts that weaken writing and critical-thinking skills if students rely on it passively—but it’s also exposing pre-existing issues in how education is structured and assessed, so the outcome isn’t predetermined collapse but a shift that likely forces schools to adapt with more in-person evaluation, process-based learning, and emphasis on understanding over output; like any tool, AI can either erode or enhance learning depending on how it’s used, and while there may be short-term turbulence—some graduates lacking depth, others pivoting to practical skills—the long-term system will probably recalibrate, much like replacing worn tbs bearings in a machine, where the friction reveals weaknesses but also drives necessary redesign rather than total failure.
The concerns about AI in education are understandable, as it can encourage shortcuts and weaken core skills if misused, but it’s also forcing a necessary rethink of how learning is assessed and valued, pushing institutions toward more meaningful evaluation and engagement; rather than causing total collapse, it’s more likely to drive adaptation and improvement over time, much like worn bearings in a system that create friction but ultimately highlight what needs to be fixed and refined for better long-term performance.
 
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