Quantum Gravity

[cyberdyno]

Quantum Gravity
Laurent R Duchesne

According to the theory, gravitation started the moment the Big Bang occurred, with gravity acting as a negentropic force always trying to put spacetime back into a singularity.

First of all, let gravity, gravitation, and gravitational waves be three different things. Gravity being a fundamental force, while gravitation and gravitational waves just the products of that force. The way I see it, gravity starts at the aether level as stress-energy tensors and lines of force are formed. Space particles (quantum matter, or Q-bits) being carried by matter-selective, inwardly flowing quanta (Gravitons?) in a gravitational current, the same way electrons are carried by an electromotive force. The center of each particle acting as a sink, or miniature black hole. Wave packet collapse being closely related to gravity (Quantum Gravity).

Imagine the first particle as a point-like object pulsating at a very high frequency in an endless quest for thermal efficiency and equilibrium. Each time it pulsates forming a wave-front pushing outwards, driven out by the force of anti-gravity (aka., Dark Energy), which then contracts as the wave is pulled back in by the force of gravity. This pulsation, or vibration, causing this space (quantum foam) inwardly flow we know as gravitation. This motion seen as an information gathering mechanism in which the wave front is where the information is being stored at. Just like the mouth of a Nudibranch Melibe.

Space particles (quantum matter, or Q-bits) being carried by matter-selective, inwardly flowing quanta (Gravitons?) in a gravitational current, the same way electrons are carried by an electromotive force. The center of each particle acting as a sink, or miniature black hole. Wave packet collapse being closely related to gravity (Quantum Gravity).

You can visualize the fundamental particle as a bubble that inflates and deflates as it pops in and out of nothingness (AKA., Einstein's gravitational aether). Which is how most visualize Wheeler's Quantum Foam: as a bubbling soup, the bubbles being virtual particles, and the soup the gravitational field. Bubbles made of energy. Remember, energy is space in motion. Space being stretched, which is where the stress-energy tensor comes from. As the bubble inflates, space is being stretched out, until gravity wins and collapses it. While the bubble inflates, space and time are being created.

Before the bubble, there is neither space, nor time, all there is is aether, which is pure energy. Energy which is neither hot, nor bright... until the bubbling starts.

Gravitation coming from a pressure differential in material space caused by the constant radial flow of matter waves into bodies with mass, as quantum matter condenses and crystallizes into its objective state. Gravitational waves being just the ripples (tensor fluctuations) being caused by the motion of the bodies floating in this sea of particles.

Picture two bodies, like the Earth and the Moon, now imagine space flowing into each body at the same time: that causes gravitation. Because there is space flowing in opposite directions, which causes a decrease in material space density, there is a drop in pressure that makes both objects drift toward each other. That is also how we get tide movement: the Moon casts a shadow as it blocks space flow to the Earth, causing gravitic pressure to drop between the two bodies and consequently causing the sea level to rise where the shadow is being cast.

Gravitation being caused by radial space/information flow, as photons in hyperspace are converted into matter by an autopoietic process driven by logic and the laws of Thermodynamics. Massless bosons, full of information, being used to support the structure of already existing matter, in spacetime. Space being viewed as q-bits of information (J.D. Bekenstein, Stephen Wolfram, Lee Smolin, Gerard 't Hooft, Leonard Susskind, et al.).

Excerpt from: "Aether: The Physicalists' God"

 

[exchemist]

Quantum Gravity
Laurent R Duchesne

According to the theory, gravitation started the moment the Big Bang occurred, with gravity acting as a negentropic force always trying to put spacetime back into a singularity.

First of all, let gravity, gravitation, and gravitational waves be three different things. Gravity being a fundamental force, while gravitation and gravitational waves just the products of that force. The way I see it, gravity starts at the aether level as stress-energy tensors and lines of force are formed. Space particles (quantum matter, or Q-bits) being carried by matter-selective, inwardly flowing quanta (Gravitons?) in a gravitational current, the same way electrons are carried by an electromotive force. The center of each particle acting as a sink, or miniature black hole. Wave packet collapse being closely related to gravity (Quantum Gravity).

Imagine the first particle as a point-like object pulsating at a very high frequency in an endless quest for thermal efficiency and equilibrium. Each time it pulsates forming a wave-front pushing outwards, driven out by the force of anti-gravity (aka., Dark Energy), which then contracts as the wave is pulled back in by the force of gravity. This pulsation, or vibration, causing this space (quantum foam) inwardly flow we know as gravitation. This motion seen as an information gathering mechanism in which the wave front is where the information is being stored at. Just like the mouth of a Nudibranch Melibe.

Space particles (quantum matter, or Q-bits) being carried by matter-selective, inwardly flowing quanta (Gravitons?) in a gravitational current, the same way electrons are carried by an electromotive force. The center of each particle acting as a sink, or miniature black hole. Wave packet collapse being closely related to gravity (Quantum Gravity).

You can visualize the fundamental particle as a bubble that inflates and deflates as it pops in and out of nothingness (AKA., Einstein's gravitational aether). Which is how most visualize Wheeler's Quantum Foam: as a bubbling soup, the bubbles being virtual particles, and the soup the gravitational field. Bubbles made of energy. Remember, energy is space in motion. Space being stretched, which is where the stress-energy tensor comes from. As the bubble inflates, space is being stretched out, until gravity wins and collapses it. While the bubble inflates, space and time are being created.

Before the bubble, there is neither space, nor time, all there is is aether, which is pure energy. Energy which is neither hot, nor bright... until the bubbling starts.

Gravitation coming from a pressure differential in material space caused by the constant radial flow of matter waves into bodies with mass, as quantum matter condenses and crystallizes into its objective state. Gravitational waves being just the ripples (tensor fluctuations) being caused by the motion of the bodies floating in this sea of particles.

Picture two bodies, like the Earth and the Moon, now imagine space flowing into each body at the same time: that causes gravitation. Because there is space flowing in opposite directions, which causes a decrease in material space density, there is a drop in pressure that makes both objects drift toward each other. That is also how we get tide movement: the Moon casts a shadow as it blocks space flow to the Earth, causing gravitic pressure to drop between the two bodies and consequently causing the sea level to rise where the shadow is being cast.

Gravitation being caused by radial space/information flow, as photons in hyperspace are converted into matter by an autopoietic process driven by logic and the laws of Thermodynamics. Massless bosons, full of information, being used to support the structure of already existing matter, in spacetime. Space being viewed as q-bits of information (J.D. Bekenstein, Stephen Wolfram, Lee Smolin, Gerard 't Hooft, Leonard Susskind, et al.).

Excerpt from: "Aether: The Physicalists' God"

Wave function collapse is associated with interaction, not gravity.

 

[DaveC426913]

Imagine

Is this based on more than imagination?

It sounds like you're just trying to rationalize a bunch of things you don't fully understand, and to do so, using word salad passages like "pulsating at a very high frequency in an endless quest for thermal efficiency and equilibrium. Each time it pulsates forming a wave-front pushing outwards, driven out by the force of anti-gravity (aka., Dark Energy), which then contracts as the wave is pulled back in by the force of gravity. This pulsation, or vibration, causing this space (quantum foam) inwardly flow we know as gravitation. This motion seen as an information gathering mechanism in which the wave front is where the information is being stored at. Just like the mouth of a Nudibranch Melibe."

 

[James R]

cyberdyno:

I notice that you have posted this new thread without addressing any of the objections and questions I raised in your previous thread. Why did you do that?

Do you want to discuss your claims, or are you just here to try to publicise them?

Here's a handy link to the previous thread, in case you forgot to reply and/or had trouble finding the thread:

The Universe as a Hologram (my interpretation)

The Universe as a Hologram (my interpretation) by Laurent R Duchesne Gravity as a negentropic force? As an information gathering mechanism? That's what it looks like. Let's look at a our galaxy, then apply this model to a subatomic particle. At the center of our galaxy we have a black hole...

www.sciforums.com

It would be impolite not to acknowledge and respond to what I wrote to you there, don't you think?

While I wait for your reply, let's take a look at your latest opener. I have some questions. I hope you can answer these ones.

According to the theory, gravitation started the moment the Big Bang occurred, with gravity acting as a negentropic force always trying to put spacetime back into a singularity.

First of all, let gravity, gravitation, and gravitational waves be three different things. Gravity being a fundamental force, while gravitation and gravitational waves just the products of that force.

Please explain how "gravitation" is different from "gravity".

The way I see it, gravity starts at the aether level as stress-energy tensors and lines of force are formed.

Are you saying that your theory of gravity uses stress-energy tensors? Why does it need them?

And what's all that stuff about gravity being a force, then?

Space particles (quantum matter, or Q-bits)...

What is a Q-bit? And what is "quantum matter"? Is that just regular particles, or something else?

... being carried by matter-selective, inwardly flowing quanta (Gravitons?) in a gravitational current, the same way electrons are carried by an electromotive force.

Huh? Are you saying that electrons are carried by "matter-selective, inwardly flowing quanta" that are in some way associated with the electromagnetic force.

If you're going to make an analogy, it's best to make it with an idea that is already well known or well accepted, don't you think?

What's your description of the electromagnetic force? Maybe you're jumping the gun here with gravity. Let's see if we can agree on the "easier" electromagnetic force first, if you want to use that as an analogy. What do you think?

The center of each particle acting as a sink, or miniature black hole.

Why don't particles collapse into nothingness, if they all contain miniature black holes?

Wave packet collapse being closely related to gravity (Quantum Gravity).

How so? Please explain.

Imagine the first particle as a point-like object pulsating at a very high frequency in an endless quest for thermal efficiency and equilibrium.

What "first particle"?

Have you done the maths on the whole frequency thing, or is "very high frequency" just a guess?

What do you mean by "thermal efficiency" in the context of this "first particle"? Please explain. And similarly for "equilibrium".

Each time it pulsates forming a wave-front pushing outwards, driven out by the force of anti-gravity (aka., Dark Energy), which then contracts as the wave is pulled back in by the force of gravity.

You're saying this first particle of yours emits waves? What kind of waves?

And you're saying there's anti-gravity and ... it's the same thing as "Dark Energy"? You haven't explained what gravity is, yet, so why jump to "anti-gravity" at this point?

This pulsation, or vibration, causing this space (quantum foam) inwardly flow we know as gravitation.

It sounds like you're not starting from the start. You're skipping steps, or assuming things implicitly that you really need to explain.

You're saying here that space is "quantum foam"? What is that? And how did it get there?

This motion seen as an information gathering mechanism in which the wave front is where the information is being stored at. Just like the mouth of a Nudibranch Melibe.

Motion is an information gathering mechanism? How does that work? What kind of information is being gathered, and from where? And what does the information do once it is gathered?

You can visualize the fundamental particle as a bubble that inflates and deflates as it pops in and out of nothingness (AKA., Einstein's gravitational aether).

Did Einstein describe particles popping in and out of nothingness from a "gravitational aether"? Where? Do you have a reference?

Which is how most visualize Wheeler's Quantum Foam: as a bubbling soup, the bubbles being virtual particles, and the soup the gravitational field.

Your theory piggybacks on Wheeler's theory, then. Is that correct?

Bubbles made of energy.

Can you please explain to me how it is that matter can be made of energy? Energy is just a concept, isn't it? It's not a substance.

Remember, energy is space in motion.

I don't remember ever having learned that. Where did you learn it? What does it mean?

Space being stretched, which is where the stress-energy tensor comes from.

The stress-energy tensor is a theoretical construct, isn't it? It comes from Einstein's theory of relativity, as far as I am aware. Am I wrong?

As the bubble inflates, space is being stretched out, until gravity wins and collapses it. While the bubble inflates, space and time are being created.

Okay. I will try to summarise your theory up to this point. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

In the beginning there were stress-energy tensors and lines of force. And then - somehow - "space particles" came into existence. Or maybe just one particle - the first particle. And the first particle popped in and out of nothingness for some reason. And the first particle pulsated at high frequency for some reason and emitted waves of some kind for some reason. And those waves somehow created quantum foam which was space flowing inward. And something gathered information of some kind each time the first particle pulsated and stored that information in wavefront, somehow or other.

And the quantum foam can be visualised as bubbles made of energy. And energy is space in motion, which is being stretched. And this is where the stress-energy tensor comes from.

WAIT!

I thought you said that the stress-energy tensor was there at the start, along with the lines of force. Then came the space particle and the information in the wavefronts and the foam and stuff. But NOW it seems like your story has gone in a complete circle.

What's going on? Can you please explain? Did you make a mistake, or did I fail to understand your theory correctly?

 

[James R]

(continued...)

Before the bubble, there is neither space, nor time, all there is is aether, which is pure energy.

I thought the energy came from the bubbles popping in and out of nothingness. Now you're saying the energy was there all along? What gives?

Energy which is neither hot, nor bright... until the bubbling starts.

What do "hot" and "bright" mean, in this context? Bright usually refers to light, as I understand it. But you haven't mentioned any light, up to this point. And how can energy be hot?

Gravitation coming from a pressure differential in material space caused by the constant radial flow of matter waves into bodies with mass, as quantum matter condenses and crystallizes into its objective state.

What causes the pressure differential? Are you talking about fluid pressure? What is the fluid that you're referring to?

Also, you mention "radial flow". Are you saying that the universe has a centre? Is the "first particle" at the centre, creating the space and time with its pulsations, then?

Where can we find the centre of the universe, these days?

What is a "matter wave" in your theory? And what is "quantum matter"?

What is an "objective state" and what other states are you distinguishing the "objective state" from? How are they different?

Gravitational waves being just the ripples (tensor fluctuations) being caused by the motion of the bodies floating in this sea of particles.

What are these "bodies" floating in the "sea of particles"? Not particles themselves? Then what?

What is a "tensor fluctuation" and why is it the same as a "ripple"?

Have you done the maths on how the tensor fluctuations cause gravitational waves? Can I see it, please?

Picture two bodies, like the Earth and the Moon, now imagine space flowing into each body at the same time: that causes gravitation.

I'm having trouble picturing it. Where does the space that flows in come from? Are we constantly losing space as it gets sucked into the Earth and the Moon?

Because there is space flowing in opposite directions, which causes a decrease in material space density, there is a drop in pressure that makes both objects drift toward each other.

Can you please tell me how, mathematically, you define "space density"? And what is this "pressure" you're referring to?

Are you saying that space itself is a fluid that has pressure and that flows into things?

Is there some way we can detect the space fluid directly? Measure it?

That is also how we get tide movement: the Moon casts a shadow as it blocks space flow to the Earth, causing gravitic pressure to drop between the two bodies and consequently causing the sea level to rise where the shadow is being cast.

Why is there a high tide on the side of the Earth that is facing away from the Moon?

This seems like a problem for your model. Do you have an explanation?

Gravitation being caused by radial space/information flow, as photons in hyperspace are converted into matter by an autopoietic process driven by logic and the laws of Thermodynamics.

This is the first time you have mentioned "hyperspace". What is hyperspace?

What is the mechanism for converting photons into matter?

How can logic drive a physical process? Logic is conceptual, isn't it?

Can you please explain how the laws of thermodynamics cause photons in hyperspace to be converted into matter?

Do you have the maths for all this stuff? Can I see it, please?

Massless bosons, full of information, being used to support the structure of already existing matter, in spacetime.

I don't understand. Please explain how massless bosons get full of information.

Why does the structure of already existing matter need supporting? How do the massless bosons support it? What are the massless bosons, exactly?

Space being viewed as q-bits of information (J.D. Bekenstein, Stephen Wolfram, Lee Smolin, Gerard 't Hooft, Leonard Susskind, et al.).

Can you please link me to a specific reference from any of these people that describes "space being viewed as q-bits of information"?

Excerpt from: "Aether: The Physicalists' God"

I think the author needs to find a competent editor. It's a bit of a mess, judging by what you have posted so far.