Psychotypes on the example of the apostles.
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Wizard of Whatever
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Read the Gospel of Judas if you want the real truth. Then you will understand why he was denigrated in the NT
Почему люди становятся предателями? Или они рождаются ими изначально? Я могу понять отрёкшегося Петра, который проявил малодушие, большинство людей таковы. Но почему Иуда предал Христа? Ведь деньги были небольшими, и совершил он предательство вряд ли из-за этого. Тогда что? Зависть? Но почему он повесился? Это были муки совести? Мы с вами сейчас живём в интересное время, когда вся нечисть снова вылезла наверх, или, как сказали бы у нас, "дерьмо всегда всплывает наверх". С одной стороны, наблюдать за этим противно до отвращения, а с другой стороны, это подарок небес, увидеть сущность тех, кого мы могли бы так никогда и не узнать по настоящему, узнать их истинное лицо. Маски сброшены, так всегда бывает перед концом. Концом эпохи, концом отношений, концом пьесы. И осталось только узнать себя. На кого вы похожи? На Петра, который с ужасом осознал, что он не тот герой, который собирался всегда стоять за истину до конца, но в нужный момент смалодушничал? Или Иуда, который предаст даже самого себя, свои собственные убеждения, перекрасится в "нужный" цвет в "нужный" момент? Почему он повесился? Стал ненужным даже самому себе? Предал и себя самого? Откуда в людях берётся подлость? Почему юный Иоанн остался верен? Из-за юношеской неиспорченности жизнью, или из-за природной чистоты души? Таким можно стать, или нужно родиться?
Wizard of Whatever
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Read his gospel of Judas and those of Mary Magdalene, Phillip, and Thomas to get a different view of the JC story.
Кто написал эти книги?
Wizard of Whatever
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The gospels that bear their names were supposedly written by them.
Как Иуда мог бы написать книгу, если он повесился?
Это в соответствующем разделе. Наука не ограничивается одной физикой.
Теват, это психотипы, которые мы наблюдаем и сейчас. Возьмите наше общество для примера. Почему кто то молчит, кто то "перекрашивается", а кто то поливает грязью того, кому вчера рукоплескал? Что движет всеми этими людьми?
Wizard of Whatever
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Probably because he didn't hang himself.
These were men with deep and serious mental health problems.
Anonymous authors. The names on all of the gospels - both the ones in the bible and the ones that didn't make the cut - are just names that the authors put on the gospels. Of course, it's not an accident that the names are the names traditionally given to some of Jesus's disciples.
The earliest gospel in the bible was written about 40 years after the death of Jesus. It was not written by the disciple named Mark. In fact, it is very likely that all of Jesus's 12 disciples were illiterate. After all, most people were, at that time. Jesus himself never wrote anything down. At least, none of his writings have come down to us. Also, none of the gospels mention, even once, Jesus writing anything.
The last gospel (John) was written in about 120 CE, which is almost 100 years after the death of Jesus. At that time, all of Jesus's original apostles would have been dead for decades.
It's not a gospel by Judas. It's a gospel about Judas.
Lots of reasons. Sometimes it is self-interest. Sometimes it is because they believe they are working for a more noble or righteous cause than the thing they are betraying. Sometimes it is a combination.
It's difficult to know. The major sources for everything we know about Judas (and Jesus) are the early Christian writings. The primary sources are the gospel stories, which were all written long after the relevant events, by people who weren't there.
It is unlikely that any of the gospel writers who wrote about Judas ever met the man.
It is possible that Judas became disgruntled because Jesus kept promising that the Kingdom of God would be coming within the lifetimes of his apostles, yet it didn't seem to be happening. But this, like much else, is speculation.
The bible doesn't really offer much in the way of a possible motivation for Judas's betrayal, other than the money.
Was it small? What was the buying power of 30 pieces of silver, in first-century Judea? Do you know?
It's not clear whether he hanged himself. That is one story given in the bible, but there are others.
Pangs of conscience are among the possibilities, certainly.
There probably aren't any evil spirits. Don't worry about it too much.
I'm unfamiliar with this story. Which John? Another apostle? What did he do?
There's probably no soul. Youth, in itself, doesn't make people more likely to remain faithful, in my opinion.
Иоанн Богослов, тот, что написал Апокалипсис. Он единственный из всех апостолов, который не убежал, а остался стоять у креста вместе с женщинами.
The book of Revelation (also called the "Apocalypse") is thought by most scholars to have been written around the year 95 CE, which was about 60 years after the death of Jesus. There are clues in the text that imply that the author was aware of the reign of Roman Emperor Domitian (81-96 CE), for example.
It is unlikely, given life expectancies in that era, that any of Jesus's disciples would have still been alive at that time.
The author of that book identifies himself as "John" in the text and says that he is on the island of Patmos.
While Christians have traditionally (since about 130-200 CE) identified several New Testament works as written by John the Apostle, the modern academic consensus is that John of Patmos is a different author to the authors of the Gospel of John and the three Epistles attributed to somebody called John.
It is unlikely, for reasons I gave earlier, that the John who was one of Jesus's disciples actually wrote the Gospel of John or the Epistles. More likely is that a community of "fans of John" wrote those works.
It is unlikely, given life expectancies in that era, that any of Jesus's disciples would have still been alive at that time.
The author of that book identifies himself as "John" in the text and says that he is on the island of Patmos.
While Christians have traditionally (since about 130-200 CE) identified several New Testament works as written by John the Apostle, the modern academic consensus is that John of Patmos is a different author to the authors of the Gospel of John and the three Epistles attributed to somebody called John.
It is unlikely, for reasons I gave earlier, that the John who was one of Jesus's disciples actually wrote the Gospel of John or the Epistles. More likely is that a community of "fans of John" wrote those works.
Well, your conclusions are based on the Greek copies found of the Gospels. Lets say the apostles were illiterate, sure such hypothesis can be well accepted. But they have a mouth, and between the listeners one or more of them knew how to write Aramaic. In a world where the most common language to interchange ideas was Greek or Latin, someone(s) translated in clear sentences the original versions.
In those times information of one event lasted longer than today's events around us. News run around for long while and most people kept them in their minds. Today, with some many news invading our minds every minute thru the cell phones, we replace the news from yesterday by today's new ones.
The apparent discord between the relates of the different Gospels coincide with the different relates of a a car accident when is explained by witness who were present and gave their own version of that they saw. It's very common that discord will be found between those reports.
My point is that yes, the Gospels fit very well as reports made by people who lived in Jesus' years. No matter when the manuscripts were written in Greek later on, those writings reveal facts and errors, coincidences and disagreements, ordered and mixed-up chronology of the events, everything that is expected to hear or read from real witness of Jesus' accounts.
In those times information of one event lasted longer than today's events around us. News run around for long while and most people kept them in their minds. Today, with some many news invading our minds every minute thru the cell phones, we replace the news from yesterday by today's new ones.
The apparent discord between the relates of the different Gospels coincide with the different relates of a a car accident when is explained by witness who were present and gave their own version of that they saw. It's very common that discord will be found between those reports.
My point is that yes, the Gospels fit very well as reports made by people who lived in Jesus' years. No matter when the manuscripts were written in Greek later on, those writings reveal facts and errors, coincidences and disagreements, ordered and mixed-up chronology of the events, everything that is expected to hear or read from real witness of Jesus' accounts.