Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists

Magical Realist said:
It's an attempt to invalidate all conspiratorial suspicions from the get go. To shut down conversation about a conspiracy as if it is somehow nutty or paranoid. Not surprising since the majority always controls the language. Noone actually WANTS to believe there are conspiracies. Best to dismiss their very possibility without even looking into the evidence.
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Except typically, once you introduce actual evidence and solid facts, it goes from a "conspiracy theory" to a legitimate theory.
 
Bells said:
Oh dear god..

MR, it was not the Jews, blacks and gays who were the conspiracy theorists. It was society who was driven to hate because they bought into the conspiracy theories of others. For example, Hitler was able to rally so many Germans to hating the Jews because he spread so many conspiracy theories about Jews. It was not because the Jews were conspiracy theorists.

What you are essentially saying here is that society was correct to hate the Jews, blacks and gays because you just said the conspiracy theories against them turned out to be correct.

I don't think you quite understand what it is you are arguing.


Wow.. Just.. Wow..

Are you aware that at present, you are coming off as a homophobic, racist and bigoted anti-Semite?


Which conspiracy theories about gays do you think is right?
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You don't get it. A conspiracy theory can sometimes be right. Jews afraid of Nazis and indeed all Germans in the 1930s had a conspiracy theory about them that panned out. Gays have long known the conspiracy of homophobia that defines their legacy of persecution and marginalization and demonization. Black people know the conspiracy of bigotry and white privelege that even to this day stereotypes them and discriminates.

And here's a tip. Don't start flaming me as a bigot or homophobic. I'm nothing of the sort.
 
Magical Realist said:
You don't get it. A conspiracy theory can sometimes be right. Jews afraid of Nazis and indeed all Germans in the 1930s had a conspiracy theory about them that panned out. Gays have long known the conspiracy of homophobia that defines their legacy of persecution and marginalization and demonization. Black people know the conspiracy of bigotry and white privelege that even to this day stereotypes them and discriminates.

And here's a tip. Don't start flaming me as a bigot or homophobic. I'm nothing of the sort.
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Which is why I said the way you were arguing, you were coming across as one..

You need to watch how you word your posts. Because for about 1.5 pages there, you were saying that it was the Jews, blacks and gays who were the conspiracy theorists.. It seems you are finally recognising that it was those who drove the hatred against them who did so using conspiracy theories against them, which yes, led to their persecution. That is what we have been trying to explain to you all along.
 
James R said:
Why do people believe in conspiracy theories? And why, if you believe in one conspiracy theories, are you more likely to believe in other such theories?
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Sometimes people look at the world and try to derive causes.
They think "What could have made the world this way?" This is a scientific view.

Other people look for evidence to support beliefs
So they look at effects and try to explain them in the language of that belief.

Most people combine those two approaches, in varying proportions.
Occasionally people are very one-sided, either dogmatically scientific or very belief oriented, and those people are generally more vocal.
 
Bells said:
Which is why I said the way you were arguing, you were coming across as one..

You need to watch how you word your posts. Because for about 1.5 pages there, you were saying that it was the Jews, blacks and gays who were the conspiracy theorists.. It seems you are finally recognising that it was those who drove the hatred against them who did so using conspiracy theories against them, which yes, led to their persecution. That is what we have been trying to explain to you all along.
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My first post on this made clear that conspiracy theories aren't inherently wrong or evil. Many theories about conspiracies turned out to be right. Jews. Slaves. And gays. Nowadays we would have dismissed all these groups as paranoid nutcases prior to there ever being evidence of a conspiracy. They would have fit the profile of 30 psychological traits of nutty conspiracy theorists. Fortunately history has confirmed them, just as it does many conspiracy theories.
 
How come all the people on this thread are the same as the people on the autism thread?
It's a conspiracy.
 
Bells said:
You need to watch how you word your posts. Because for about 1.5 pages there, you were saying that it was the Jews, blacks and gays who were the conspiracy theorists.
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He's back to saying that.

His underlying approach here is to get conspiracy theorists conflated with heroes, so that he can see himself as such.
 
Magical Realist said:
My first post on this made clear that conspiracy theories aren't inherently wrong or evil. Many theories about conspiracies turned out to be right. Jews. Slaves. And gays. Nowadays we would have dismissed all these groups as paranoid nutcases prior to there ever being evidence of a conspiracy. They would have fit the profile of 30 psychological traits of nutty conspiracy theorists. Fortunately history has confirmed them, just as it does many conspiracy theories.
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You have a warped sense of what is "conspiracy" and its definition, particularly being one of the more fanatical conspiracy pushers we have on this site.
The most stupidest conspiracy theories I have seen are the 9/11 crap, and the Moon Landings denial nuts......Followed closely behind by those that see science as never benefiting mankind, and the anti vaccination nutty brigade.
 
Captain Kremmen said:
How come all the people on this thread are the same as the people on the autism thread?
It's a conspiracy.
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I noticed that. Notice too how my vaccine thread was moved from Health and Fitness to Conspiracy. As if just discussing vaccine/autism links is to be immediately dismissed as BAD conspiracy theory. Such are the tactics of majority conspiracies.
 
Magical Realist said:
I noticed that. Notice too how my vaccine thread was moved from Health and Fitness to Conspiracy. As if just discussing vaccine/autism links is to be immediately dismissed as BAD conspiracy theory. Such are the tactics of majority conspiracies.
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It might have been better for you to have posted it there in the first place.
Like you do with your ghost threads, posting them in fringe.
I disagree with you on almost every subject, but you argue your corner well.
I enjoy your posts.
I learn far more in the threads where I disagree with the poster, than when I agree.
 
Kittamaru said:
Eh... technically speaking, MR is correct in this - the connotation the word has gained over the years is, ultimately, irrelevant to the technical meaning.

However, when you say conspiracy theory in everyday conversation, most people automatically know you mean something of a nonsensical nature.
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MR is good at sucking people in to the wrong argument. He's basically right about "conspiracy", but what is wrong and offensive is his misuse of "theory'. When something is an open historical fact it doesn't need a theory to explain it. That's why Iran calls the Holocaust a conspiracy theory: that's their way of saying it didn't happen.
 
Magical Realist said:
I noticed that. Notice too how my vaccine thread was moved from Health and Fitness to Conspiracy. As if just discussing vaccine/autism links is to be immediately dismissed as BAD conspiracy theory. Such are the tactics of majority conspiracies.
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Captain Kremmen said:
How come all the people on this thread are the same as the people on the autism thread?
It's a conspiracy.
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It's human nature - people are enraptured watching another human being self destruct in such a spectacular fashion... sort of like a dog watching/listening to a high-pitched sound... even if they want to look away, they can't help themselves.
 
Magical Realist said:
I noticed that. Notice too how my vaccine thread was moved from Health and Fitness to Conspiracy. As if just discussing vaccine/autism links is to be immediately dismissed as BAD conspiracy theory. Such are the tactics of majority conspiracies.
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It took much longer than it should have considering you linked a "BAD conspiracy theory" site in your very first post.
 
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