Protests / riots in LA - thoughts?

Sarkus said:
Seems reasonable as an end-point. Not many, I'm sure, would disagree (but I may be wrong on that point).
The question is more how one should go about and achieving this, given the current state of things (I don't mean LA, I mean the number of illegals in the country).

Maybe what I'm asking is this: do you think the current approach by the Trump administration is heavy-handed, and one that was almost guaranteed to spark unrest, pushback? Do you think there are better ways?

FWIW, Stephen Miller (who I've seen excellently described as "America's least huggable gnome, crossed with Voldemort") has been reported to have been "screaming" at ICE officials for not doing enough, and that he wants at least 3,000 arrests a day. And not just at the border, but across the country, as border crossings are way down and so the level of deportations will otherwise drop. And the optics of that somehow wouldn't look good.
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One and three are doable now. You know who the citizens and criminals are.

For evaluation you would need to set up groups of evaluators. Maybe five people in each. All should have center of the road politics. A legal expert, a person knowledgable about actual conditions in other countries, a psychologist, a sociologist, and an economist. Those that pass can stay. The rest must leave.
 
sculptor said:
I think not.
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Then, you are either a Trump supporting fascist, someone who does not know what fascism is or you have some other theory? I doubt you have another theory because of the obvious.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Are they illegal?
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While entering the US without proper documentation can lead to criminal charges, being in the US is not a criminal offence, in other words, it is not illegal to be in America. There is no such thing as illegal aliens. Except in Manhattan, from other planets.
 
The issue with regards LA is slightly complicated with regard ICE activity, as in 2017 California became a "sanctuary state", where it became the law for the local enforcement services not to support ICE in their activity. They can't stop ICE, but they're not allowed to support the federal agency. They can protect federal buildings, but can't assist in rounding up suspected illegal immigrants.

And in other news, a federal judge has agreed that the federalising of the National Guard was illegal, and that they should be put under state control. However, he stayed the enforcement of the ruling to give the Trump administration time to appeal, which they have duly done.

I think the appeal is set to be heard today (Friday) but could be wrong.
 
(Q) said:
While entering the US without proper documentation can lead to criminal charges, being in the US is not a criminal offence, in other words, it is not illegal to be in America. There is no such thing as illegal aliens. Except in Manhattan, from other planets.
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I don't think they are being deported for being in the US. It's because they entered without proper documentation as you point out.
 
The Sturmabteilung has another busy day, tackling and cuffing the senior US Senator from California because he tried to ask a question at Kristi Noem's press conference. Somewhat skeptical of the claim that the prominent Senator's failure to identify himself (which he in fact did, loudly) made him some unknown marauder to be promptly neutralized. Especially given said presser was held in Los Angeles.


And so America keeps goose-stepping towards the next Reich.
 
Seattle said:
Is Trump deporting trans, green card or gay people?
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He's deporting green card people, yes. (Example - Mahmoud Khalil) And people here on legal visas.

LGBT people - nope. Instead he is banning them from the military and banning medical care for them. And he has issued executive orders that allow government bigots to fire people who work for them solely for being trans or gay; another order states that neither gender nor sex can ever be changed.
 
TheVat said:
The Sturmabteilung has another busy day, tackling and cuffing the senior US Senator from California because he tried to ask a question at Kristi Noem's press conference.
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Can't have people questioning the government! Next thing you know they will start thinking for themselves.
 
Because it's relevant to the ICE raids that sparked the whole LA troubles:

"Why is it when a foreigner or someone that shouldn't be here kills one of us, we're going to put $150 billion into border security, we're going to militarise our cities, we're going to spend trillions of dollars to bomb and destabilise foreign countries overseas, we're going to ban people from random countries from ever [xxxx] visiting here, we're going to take our shoes off at the airport forever, but when we do it to ourselves... nothing. Is it that the only acceptable deaths are those that are made in America? The only response now is to tally up the psycho scoreboard on whose side the perp belongs to?"

- Jon Stewart, The Daily Show - 16/06/25
 
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