What would constitute evidence for God's existence?
First thing Jan sorry for the late reply...
I was in a rush got off a short reply and did not get back to your post.
I now do so although you seem to have me on toast.
I guess what I seek as evidence would be something that could show God made known something and that event is credible ...
I just cant see where the idea starts and if you look to where the idea starts you cant look to stuff that borders on witchcraft really.
Further something from modern times perhaps.
I dont believe I am bluffing why would you think such a thing?
Theists do not need to discuss whether or not God exists.
They really should however.
I dont see why there is a percieved problem for them to question their beliefs unless their beliefs are so fragile no one is prepared to risk playing with the house of cards.
It just seems all blindly follow the party line and do not actually think if God could be different to what the party line dictates.
So it is the atheist, for whom there is no God, that has elevated it to a serious discussion.
Yes I can go with that.
Thats a funny thing to say .. why would I knock myself out????
You need to establish more than that.
Like what?
Why does the burden move to me?
Your God ... start talking I wont interrupt.
The fact that you don't know that, is for you, self-defeating.
Well help me out and explain why you can not simply provide something...you just dont seem to be able to contribute.
Look at rivers contribution at least he makes an honest attempt to explain how he views things but you just muddy the water such that I really dont know what you are talking about or if you even know what you are talking about.
No I am serious.
If you read the earlier links I think certainly you would have to agree the evil debate leaves theists badly beaten.
Nevertheless if you see it differently you may do so but the evil debate must make all theists uncomfortable and if not one must wonder if they bother to think at all.
If not, show where this beating has occurred.
Look at the links provided earlier and tell me honestly what you find.
There is no God, for the atheist, period.
The atheist only seeks to justify, and validate his current position, until he/she comes to their senses (from theistic pov
Hardley a reasonable responce to my post Jan.
I made the statement there is nothing such that we can get off the ground...your answer takes us no further.
Why do you avoid offerring something is it because you have nothing.
Oppression, and suppression.
The militant atheists answer to a successful society.
What does this have to do with my simple request for reasonable information?
Any theist found with his foot in the door, should have it chopped off immediately.
At the head.
Do you see my point Jan all I suggest is one step at a time...step one is to provide something to discuss that is tangible not this wishy washy evasive chatter you like to employ.
Just talk straight that is all I ask which does not seem unreasonable.
If we are deluded, show it.
I do not need to show something that sticks out like ...well sticks out like it does.
We have yet to see proof that God does not exist
True Jan.
But hopefully you will.
Fortunately if we apply the standard of proof required at law the machinery is there to prove God does not exist even if he does.
So stick around and eventually when I have everthing set up I will roll out the steam roller.
I think you should cut the waffle, and begin your task.
Jan I have you to thank for my approach for from you I learnt to dtaw things out, also to frustrate others to the point they go bald at their own hands.
Further we have yet to define the concept of proof...what proof would you need for example.
IOW, you've bitten off more than you can chew.
You should learn how to operate in discussions, from your fellow atheist.
It's better than the nothing you currently offer.
Yes I do feel that I have bitten off more than I can chew so I ask can you help me out and give me something better to chew upon like some morsel that would indicate which windmill I should attack next...something like God was first recorded in whatever scripture..that sort of thing.
There will never, ever, be a situation where the atheist can comprehend God, as long as they are atheist.
For the atheist, there is no, and never can be, God.
Atheist = without God.
Seems like a closed club Jan.
I say that youust be able to offer something.
Look at river he stood up and honestly and sincerely tried to communicate his idea of God...and yet you present elitist, excuse the venacular, bulldust...why this pretence and this elitist nonsense.
Atheists (unbeknown to themselves) often invent God. A lot of them are pastors, rabbi's, imams, and Congregationalists in churches.
The problem is, they don't know they are atheist, they really believe they are theists. Then at some point they realise their real position and start banging on about how God is a made up concept.
They fail at theism, and atheism.
Very interesting and not surprising.
I guess it must be an embarrassment when you discover pretenders in the ranks...now if there was ongoing discussion as to why members believed in God you could weed those folk out much earlier.
And I think I will really put anyone claiming to be an athiest to the test..they may only be agnostic.
The problem is, Alex. I think you subconsciously believe that God Is, meaning you are unaware of this.
Jan how many times now have I cautioned you not to think your thoughts become reality. I can not remember thats how many.
Take my words onboard else enlightenment escapes over the horizon.
This makes you desperate to draw a line under the concept of God does not exist, so as not to have to contemplate God, because the moment you do, you will surrender.
You know it, and I know it.
Yes indeed you know it and you know it, I guess I dont count.
You simply don't want God to exist, so you keep repeating it in the hope it will some how be true.
Jan honestly I would love it if God really did exist because we would not have the evil debate as a real God would fix all that...but I must learn to accept there is no God and that cruelty and suffering will continue with no hope a God created world will ever be real and that folk will lie to themselves to take their minds off their miserable existence with no purpose.
And I would love a soul which I interpret as immortality but sadly like Santa reality denies us from enjoying mere delusions.
ow many threads have been started by theists, inviting atheists to talk about God, or the existence of God?
None?
Theists understand that there is no point trying to convince atheists of the position of theist,
So that why you dont even try...now we know.
Alex
