Proof of the existence of God

Jason Marshall said:
I will give you this thought....



The Theory of Emergent Reality and Divine Creation


At the heart of our understanding of the universe is the idea that space, mass, gravity, and all forms of energy emerge from deep, underlying processes—processes that are too subtle and fundamental for us to see directly. These things aren’t created from nothing, but from an infinitely intricate relational structure that connects everything in existence at its most basic level. Everything that we experience as physical reality arises from a hidden network of relationships that, when set in motion, give rise to all things.
The Emergence of Reality
In the beginning, before the universe as we know it existed, there was a formless state—what we might think of as an "original chaos" or "primordial unity." This unity didn’t lack purpose or order, but rather contained within it the seeds of everything that would come into being. From this unobservable foundation, everything that exists—space, time, mass—emerged in a unified manner, like the unfolding of a grand design.
This emergence is not random or chaotic, but the result of an underlying plan—one that can be understood as a reflection of divine will. This foundational process is the mechanism through which God's will is made manifest in the fabric of reality. It's not just an accident that our universe exists; it’s the result of a deliberate, intelligent unfolding.
The Role of God in the Universe
God, the Creator, is both present in and above this emergent process. Rather than being separate from creation, God is the ultimate cause of all that exists, knitting together the very fabric of the cosmos. God's presence permeates the universe, guiding the relational dynamics that give rise to space and mass. In this view, God's creative power isn’t expressed through brute force or instantaneous magic, but through the profound, ongoing relationship between all aspects of reality—an intelligence that moves through everything, from the tiniest particles to the grandest galaxies.
This view of divine creation allows for a universe that behaves according to natural laws, but also leaves room for God to act within these laws in extraordinary ways. Miracles, such as the parting of the Red Sea or the resurrection of Jesus, are not violations of the natural order, but rather moments where God interacts with the relational structure of the universe in profound, often surprising ways.
The Nature of Miracles
Miracles, in this framework, aren’t impossible events but rather rare and extraordinary expressions of God's will that seem to defy the ordinary workings of the universe. In the case of the parting of the Red Sea, for example, the universe’s relational dynamics might have shifted in such a way that water behaved differently than expected—revealing God’s power to shape and guide the world’s underlying structure. Similarly, when Jesus healed the sick or raised the dead, these events were expressions of God moving through the relational network of existence, altering it in ways that bring about miraculous results.
This doesn’t mean that the laws of nature are irrelevant or ignored; rather, it acknowledges that there is a deeper layer of reality—one that we might not fully understand—where the will of God operates within the very structure of the universe, revealing His divine purpose.
Creation as a Divine Narrative
The universe is a story, and every person is part of that story. From the beginning of time, God has been at work, guiding the unfolding of events—whether through natural processes or miraculous interventions. The idea of God "speaking into existence" the world is more than just a poetic description; it is the deepest truth of how reality unfolds, with God’s will being made manifest in the creation of space, mass, and energy.
God is not distant or disengaged, but intimately involved in the world’s unfolding. The patterns and structures that emerge in our universe reveal His design, purpose, and presence. While humans can observe these patterns, they are ultimately part of a divine mystery that transcends full human comprehension.
The Unity of Science and Faith
Science reveals to us the how of the universe—the processes, patterns, and dynamics that govern our world. But it cannot fully explain why the universe exists or its deeper meaning. Faith, on the other hand, reveals the ultimate why—the divine purpose and presence of God within it all. Both science and faith together offer a fuller understanding of the universe and our place within it.
In this way, science doesn't contradict faith; it illuminates it. Science helps us explore the details of the creation that God has made, while faith allows us to see the deeper purpose behind it all. The more we discover, the more we come to understand the vastness of God's design and the depth of His involvement in the creation of the universe.
Conclusion
At its core, the universe is not a random accident but the unfolding of a divine plan, with God as the ultimate source of all things. Reality, from the tiniest atom to the vast stretches of space, emerges from relational dynamics that are shaped and guided by God's will. Miracles and supernatural events are expressions of God's power and presence within this unfolding process, where He interacts with the relational fabric of the universe in ways that surprise, heal, and transform.
In this view, all of existence is part of a grand, purposeful narrative—a story of creation, redemption, and ultimate fulfillment. The universe is not simply a collection of particles or forces but a profound and divine work of art, revealing the glory, wisdom, and love of God in every moment.
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Others think there is a plan, I do not think there is, I have no evidence or reason to.
 
Jason Marshall said:
You now have contradicted yourself, and shown you are not a man of your word, you told me you put me on ignore, I guess that was not true.
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You shoot your mouth off about things do you do not understand.

1. You are (still) on ignore.

2. I see responses to your posts - notably pinball's post #1388. I am interested in pinball's contributions.

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3. Every page that contains an ignored post (such as) has a "See ignored posts" button at the bottom right. It's one click. If I refresh the page, you're gone again.

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4. Putting you on ignore means I get to choose when I have to put up with your silliness. It does not constrain me; it constrains you.

5. In an ongoing effort to help keep the quality of the site up, I am obligated to do things I'd rather not do.
 
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DaveC426913 said:
You shoot your mouth off about things do you do not understand.

1. You are (still) on ignore.

2. I see responses to your posts - notably pinball's post #1388. I am interested in pinball's contributions.

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3. Every page that contains an ignored post (such as) has a "See ignored posts" button at the bottom right. It's one click. If I refresh the page, you're gone again.

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4. Putting you on ignore means I get to choose when I have to put up with your silliness. It does not constrain me; it constrains you.
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Fair enough David, charges dimissed.
 
DaveC426913 said:
You shoot your mouth off about things do you do not understand.

1. You are (still) on ignore.

2. I see responses to your posts - notably pinball's post #1388. I am interested in pinball's contributions.

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3. Every page that contains an ignored post (such as) has a "See ignored posts" button at the bottom right. It's one click. If I refresh the page, you're gone again.

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4. Putting you on ignore means I get to choose when I have to put up with your silliness. It does not constrain me; it constrains you.

5. In an ongoing effort to help keep the quality of the site up, I am obligated to do things I'd rather not do.
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Yes, I stand corrected.
 
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Those numbers are actually from two two different manuscripts IIRC. They refer to Nero as Rome was the evil enemy that had to be destroyed according to the Apocalypse of John.

So this is still not any sort of proof.
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Lesson for today, when Yashua said those that try to save thier life, will loose it, and those that give up thier life will save it means the thinking pattern connected to worldly things not your living body He means death of your ego and pride, the currupted nature you recieved from the fall of grace in the Garden of Eden, the decease you recieved from the Seraphim serpant, becuase if you don't let go of that you will never see or understand Him and He must say to you depart from me I never knew you!
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"Lesson for today, when Yashua said those that try to save thier life, will loose it, and those that give up thier life will save it means the thinking pattern connected to worldly things not your living body He means death of your ego and pride, the currupted nature you recieved from the fall of grace in the Garden of Eden, the decease you reacived from the Seraphim serpant, becuase if you dont let go of that you will never see or understand Him and He must say to you depart from me I never knew you!"

He may have said those things but the bottom line is I do not believe the universe operates this way.
A creator god, his son, an evil serpent tempting and corrupting.
At the moment I think there is a population of humans on this planet who are working out how to get along.
Jesus gave people a few pointers on how to do this, I agree with some of his instructions and also other historical and current figures.
 
There could be a creator god, who knows? If there is one I think it would be extremely difficult to define and impossible to prove. No proof so far anyway, in the spirit of the thread.
 
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