Poll Time !!! Trump-Putin Summit: Result ???

Trump-Putin Summit: Result ???

  • "Peace in our time"

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • War grinds on - USA commits to support Ukraine

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • War grinds on - USA abandons Ukraine

    Votes: 1 20.0%

  • Other (please elaborate)

    Votes: 3 60.0%
  • Total voters
    5
  • Poll closed .
Killjoy

Killjoy

Propelling The Farce!!
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We're on the eve of that Great Meeting of the Mind[les]s, sports fans !

Your humble narrator predicts that enough hot air will be expelled at said confab to just about melt the nearby Mendenhall Glacier and flood Juneau right off the map, and that nothing whatever of substance shall ensue.

What's your take ?
 
This kind of stage is what Vlad always wanted. He was never going to give ground to an intermediary hack like Steve Witkoff.

Better was the second phase of directly lying to Trump over and over, but Melania put an end to that indefinitely extended holiday by telling Trump that he was being played.

But Vlad has the big-time spotlight now, and he'll flatter, entice, and groom Trump enough to qualify for the next round that will invite Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy won't be willing to swap territories. So that's the end of that. Back to the conflict.

And Trump will probably set into motion the secondary sanctions. "The proposed US legislation would enable 500% tariffs on goods from any country that buys or sells Russian oil, uranium, natural gas and petroleum or petrochemical products."

Or Trump will unexpectedly revert to the early days of perversely putting the thumbscrews to Zelenskyy, to goad him to change his mind. (If Putin successfully makes Z look like the obstinate mule holding up progress.) "Sorry, Melania. I know you grew up behind the Iron Curtain, but I really enjoyed being at the end of Uncle Vlad's leash, wearing that studded hood."

Or Trump will switch roles, become Master and try to punish both Putin and Zelenskyy.
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If it wasn't for the military success that Putin is enjoying right now, there might actually be a half-decent chance of him agreeing to a ceasefire that he would actually keep, for the sake of stalling the secondary sanctions. But with the victories piling up for the Russians, it's difficult to conceive anything other than Zelenskyy conceding territory, resulting in a [temporary] cessation of hostilities. Without that, any promise of ceasefire would just be another bogus commitment made by Putin.
  • Zelensky meets with UK's Starmer ahead of high-stakes Trump-Putin summit
    https://www.france24.com/en/europe/...armer-ahead-of-high-stakes-trump-putin-summit

    EXCERPTS: Those leaders said Trump had assured them he would make a priority of trying to achieve a ceasefire in Ukraine when he meets with Russian President Vladimir Putin on Friday in Anchorage.

    [...] Anton Vyshniak, a car salesman in Kyiv, said Ukraine's priority now should be saving the lives of its troops, even at the expense of making territorial concessions.

    “At the moment, the most important thing is to preserve the lives of male and female military personnel. After all, there are not many human resources left," he said. "Borders are borders, but human lives are priceless. Therefore, some principles can be disregarded here.”
 
C C said:
This kind of stage is what Vlad always wanted. He was never going to give ground to an intermediary hack like Steve Witkoff.

Better was the second phase of directly lying to Trump over and over, but Melania put an end to that indefinitely extended holiday by telling Trump that he was being played.

But Vlad has the big-time spotlight now, and he'll flatter, entice, and groom Trump enough to qualify for the next round that will invite Zelenskyy.

Zelenskyy won't be willing to swap territories. So that's the end of that. Back to the conflict.

And Trump will probably set into motion the secondary sanctions. "The proposed US legislation would enable 500% tariffs on goods from any country that buys or sells Russian oil, uranium, natural gas and petroleum or petrochemical products."

Or Trump will unexpectedly revert to the early days of perversely putting the thumbscrews to Zelenskyy, to goad him to change his mind. (If Putin successfully makes Z look like the obstinate mule holding up progress.) "Sorry, Melania. I know you grew up behind the Iron Curtain, but I really enjoyed being at the end of Uncle Vlad's leash, wearing that studded hood."

Or Trump will switch roles, become Master and try to punish both Putin and Zelenskyy.
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It's really too grim to laugh about but this was jolly funny, esp. the studded hood. I think you are spot-on. What's for sure is we can ignore whatever Trump is saying at the moment. He's just saying the first thing that comes into his head as usual.

I do sense that Zelenskyy is starting to realise some territory is going to be lost, though he may be hoping to restrict that to Crimea.
 
exchemist said:
It's really too grim to laugh about but this was jolly funny, esp. the studded hood. I think you are spot-on. What's for sure is we can ignore whatever Trump is saying at the moment. He's just saying the first thing that comes into his head as usual.

I do sense that Zelenskyy is starting to realise some territory is going to be lost, though he may be hoping to restrict that to Crimea.
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Ceding territory to the Russians is like ceding territory to the Nazis in the 1930s. It will not end well. Will this summit end with another "peace in our time" declaration?
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Ceding territory to the Russians is like ceding territory to the Nazis in the 1930s. It will not end well. Will this summit end with another "peace in our time" declaration?
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I sympathise. However, while Trump - and then very likely Vance occupy the White House, there will not be enough arms ad manpower to push Russia back out of Crimea. It will be hard enough to do that in Donbas. I have a feeling Crimea has gone, and with it most likely a land strip to the West, connecting Crimea to Russia proper, since otherwise Russia's only access would be by the new bridge. I hate it, but while the USA is unreliable or absent, I see little alternative.
 
exchemist said:
I sympathise. However, while Trump - and then very likely Vance occupy the White House, there will not be enough arms ad manpower to push Russia back out of Crimea. It will be hard enough to do that in Donbas. I have a feeling Crimea has gone, and with it most likely a land strip to the West, connecting Crimea to Russia proper, since otherwise Russia's only access would be by the new bridge. I hate it, but while the USA is unreliable or absent, I see little alternative.
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I don't think Putin will be satisfied with Crimea. His main focus in invading was the Russian speaking population in Eastern Ukraine, and secondarily NATO expansion. He doesn't want just territory, he wants to control Ukraine's internal and external realities.

Russia was invaded by Napoleon and Hitler, and the West tried at Archangel around 1920. They and the rest of the Union lost 25 million in WW2. This all lingers in their psyche and makes them very paranoid.
 
Let's not forget that Trump is jonesing like a sumbitch for that Nobel Peace Prize. Who knows what he's likely to suggest or agree to in order to bring the war to an end so that he can claim to be The Great Peacemaker worthy of said award.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
I don't think Putin will be satisfied with Crimea. His main focus in invading was the Russian speaking population in Eastern Ukraine, and secondarily NATO expansion. He doesn't want just territory, he wants to control Ukraine's internal and external realities.

Russia was invaded by Napoleon and Hitler, and the West tried at Archangel around 1920. They and the rest of the Union lost 25 million in WW2. This all lingers in their psyche and makes them very paranoid.
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Don’t disagree with any of that.
 
Looks like the festivities have wrapped up, sports fans !

Net result: BUPKIS !

Then again - who expected more ?


Photo of the day:

"Well, my dear Donski - I see you still have no balls what so ever...!"
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Killjoy said:
Looks like the festivities have wrapped up, sports fans !

Net result: BUPKIS !
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Worse than bupkis, I think.

First, it is common practice that the host of the summit speaks first at the post-summit presser. But in this case Putin spoke first, as if this was his summit to which Donald had been invited. Not a good look.
Second, Putin spoke for a while but only after a few minutes did he even mention Ukraine. When he did, it was to reiterate that the "root causes" had to be removed before any peace could be achieved. So ostensibly saying that Russia had to win before any peace agreement? Afterall, this would entail removal of Zelensky and pretty much any pro-European government ('cos he would consider those fascist), Russia taking over the whole of the regions that they currently only partially occupy, neutrality of Ukraine, etc. So capitulation. Even before a peace could be considered.
Then the Orange One spoke, and I'm not sure he even once mentioned Ukraine by name, nor the possibility of a ceasefire. And that was during his otherwise short and rather vague summary.
It very much looked like Putin was the one in control of proceedings. He also reminded people of Russia's ties to Alaska. Maybe he's eyeing it up as well? Maybe Donald will sell it back for $1?

But out of this Putin pretty much got what he wanted. Not peace, not a ceasefire, but recognition, and a holding off of any further sanctions by the US. Not sure whether Trump will continue with his penalising tariffs on countries that continue to deal with Putin, though.

Trump has since said that Ukraine should agree a deal to end the war with Russia because "Russia is a very big power, and they're not". So, yeah, sounds like Donald has once again pivoted toward Russia. He's going to hold a conference with Zelensky, sure, but at this he's basically going to just parrot what Putin has said, and then push Zelensky to do whatever Russia wants. Zelensky won't, of course. And Trump will then paint Zelensky as the "bad guy" for refusing peace. Or, as Donald is likely thinking, preventing Trump from getting a Nobel Peace Prize. And that's bad, of course. :rolleyes:

Heck, it may be that Putin surreptitiously reminded Trump at the meeting that he knows all about Epstein? But who could possibly think that even Trump would hand over Ukraine to Russia just to prevent his unhealthy appetite for young girls come to light?? (/sarcasm off).


So, yeah, it's all heading for Zelensky being pushed into a corner and once again being painted as the bad guy for not accepting a peace deal that gives Russia everything they want. This is weak by Trump. But not unexpected for TACO.


Edit: also of note was something Putin reportedly said about hoping Ukraine didn't do anything to derail progress made so far, or words to that effect, which seems to set the stage for some false-flag events, even though Ukraine have been ready and willing for a ceasefire for a couple of months or so. Let's wait and see.
 
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It all boils down to what's more important. The end of Russian aggression, or the end of the killing and destruction.

The same could be applied elsewhere.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
If that's the case, nothing will change. The war goes on until the Russians probably win. Then they may face a guerrilla type situation against them.
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Ага, и майка с надписью "СССР", просто так была одета. Вам намёк был дан, жирнее некуда.
 
Olga said:
Ага, и майка с надписью "СССР", просто так была одета. Вам намёк был дан, жирнее некуда.
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The CCCP though they had Afghanistan sewed up, but were eventually force3d out. Could happen again.
 
So Trump had to give up his demand for a ceasefire; he loses.

Putin got a picture of US troops kneeling at the door of his plane. He wins.

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