Political moderates may be perceived as disloyal by both sides

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Political moderates may be perceived as disloyal by both sides
https://www.eurekalert.org/news-releases/1137365

INTRO: In the increasingly polarized political realm, moderates may be viewed as disloyal by both conservatives and liberals when the opposing side seems threatening, according to research published by the American Psychological Association.

“Democratic systems rely heavily on compromise, negotiation and coalition building, and moderates are often seen as the ‘glue’ that helps bridge ideological divides,” said lead researcher Giulia Maimone, PhD, a postdoctoral scholar in marketing at the University of Florida. “If moderates are rejected by both sides, compromise itself may begin to look suspicious or disloyal.”

The study included five online experiments with more than 3,200 participants in the United States. The participants were asked about the strength of their own liberal or conservative beliefs about some politically divisive issues, including abortion, Israel and Palestine, or voting choices for Donald Trump or Kamala Harris in the 2024 presidential election... (MORE - no ads)
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Makes sense mathematically, if you are equidistant from both extremes, i.e. the middle, then the distance can be enough to make enemies of both.
 
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This report (using data from the Class Gaps Poll) seems to relate to the topic.


There's an active debate in Democratic politics between progressives and moderates about how to build a winning coalition.

A new report from a pair of California researchers, shared exclusively with NPR, argues that debate misses the point. The answer isn't centrism, they write, it's respect for where working-class voters are coming from.

"It's about understanding that people need a sense of personal and economic security before they will support the changes progressives are calling for," the authors write.
 
This report (using data from the Class Gaps Poll) seems to relate to the topic.

Well that really is “duh” territory. But it has been the same in the UK. The far right has capitalised on working class people’s feeling of powerlessness and insecurity, while the left has indulged in trendy preoccupations of the metropolitan middle class with identity politics and so on. Result? The left has lost the working class. The left needs to return to its roots and reconnect with the concerns of those people.
 
Honestly I am OK with that. Been called names by both sides.
Quite. What would incense me is the notion that one should be expected to be “loyal” in the first place. To expect such a thing is tribalism, which should have no place in the politics of intelligent people.

So yeah, too right I’m also “disloyal”. That’s because I think for myself, thanks very much!
 
Robert Reich weighs in.


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With the victory of progressive Abdul El-Sayed over representative Haley Stevens in Michigan’s Democratic primary, prepare yourself to hear enormous quantities of bullshit about the Democratic party now being “taken over” by the “left” or by “democratic socialists”.

Or as the reliably establishment New York Times put it: “Can an insurgent candidate, with unabashedly liberal positions, win a general election in a moderate state?”

Oh, p-l-e-a-s-e.

Michigan Democrats didn’t choose El-Sayed because he’s “unabashedly liberal”. Or because he’s a democratic socialist (in fact, he’s not).
They chose him because he’s a fighter – at a time when America needs fighters willing to stand up to the worst tyrant who has ever occupied the Oval Office.
 
Robert Reich weighs in.


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With the victory of progressive Abdul El-Sayed over representative Haley Stevens in Michigan’s Democratic primary, prepare yourself to hear enormous quantities of bullshit about the Democratic party now being “taken over” by the “left” or by “democratic socialists”.

Or as the reliably establishment New York Times put it: “Can an insurgent candidate, with unabashedly liberal positions, win a general election in a moderate state?”

Oh, p-l-e-a-s-e.

Michigan Democrats didn’t choose El-Sayed because he’s “unabashedly liberal”. Or because he’s a democratic socialist (in fact, he’s not).
They chose him because he’s a fighter – at a time when America needs fighters willing to stand up to the worst tyrant who has ever occupied the Oval Office.
Yeah but this article is just a polemic from Reich about what he thinks is wrong with Trumpy Republicanism. In fact he says nothing to justify his assertion that the Democrats who chose El-Sayed did so "because he is a fighter". What is his evidence for that?

From what I read (in the FT), quite a bit of his support (and he only defeated the other candidate by a whisker) is due to his uncompromising stance on the Gaza ethnic cleansing/genocide. Apparently he beat his opponent in spite of her being supported by AIPAC with 10x the funds that he could muster. While I am personally delighted to see the US starting to let go of its reflexive support for Israel right or wrong, now that this appalling atrocity has been committed using US weaponry and money, this does not show the Democrats reconnecting with the concerns of the working class people who feel disempowered and insecure, cf. post 5. In fact it looks rather like just another another metropolitan middle class issue (brutal perhaps, but true I think).

I am not surprised Trump has been crowing about El-Sayed's victory in the Primary. I gather that Michigan is a must-win state for the Democrats in the mid-terms. El-Sayed will need to appeal to swing voters, not just hard-core activists. Is there evidence he has a solid plan for doing that? I don't see it in this Reich article.
 
[...] While I am personally delighted to see the US starting to let go of its reflexive support for Israel right or wrong, now that this appalling atrocity has been committed using US weaponry and money, this does not show the Democrats reconnecting with the concerns of the working class people who feel disempowered and insecure, cf. post 5. In fact it looks rather like just another another metropolitan middle class issue (brutal perhaps, but true I think).

I am not surprised Trump has been crowing about El-Sayed's victory in the Primary. I gather that Michigan is a must-win state for the Democrats in the mid-terms. El-Sayed will need to appeal to swing voters, not just hard-core activists. Is there evidence he has a solid plan for doing that? I don't see it in this Reich article.

El-Sayid's support of unions can carve into Michigan's industrial proletariat roots of the past. Though that's hardly a unique stance for a Dem candidate. ("Michigan’s 566,000 union members in 2025 ranked ninth among states. In 2024, Michigan ranked eighth with 581,000 union members, marking a decline of 15,000 union members over the year.")

There are circa a quarter million Muslims in the state, whose votes one might presume he'll receive. And then the hope of how far the new antisemitism anti-Zionism sentiment penetrates into the traditional population of Michigan.

His affiliation with controversial Hasan Piker might be his most vulnerable spot. But like El-Sayid, Piker is only a promoter of the DSA and a chum of Sanders (rather than a direct member). And El-Sayid will garner Piker's social media followers. Still, the deep affinity with the DSA will probably be exploited by Mike Rogers, along with Piker's array of radical commentary sound and video clips.

But if going by polls, 32% of Michigan voters (or the US in general) might be willing to vote even for a self-proclaimed Democratic Socialist (not merely a candidate who is an admirer of the organization). Of course, polls are rather questionable these days after their stunning fail of the 2024 election.



Bernie Sanders backs Hasan Piker, whose remarks "Make sense". Says Carville "Can start his own party."

VIDEO EXCERPT: Kevin, thank you for your patience. Overview for us the general election. How do you see El-Sayed versus Mike Rogers shaping up in the wake of his narrower-than-expected victory last night?

Kevin Walling: [...] Dr. Abdul is already tempering his message on Morning Joe this morning, talking about anti-Semitism and things like that. So he's pivoting for the general election. I'm so happy we played those two ads because I think that's a preview of the messaging to come.

I think it's incumbent on Dr. Abdul to hold things together. The aspirations that he's talking about with regard to working-class folks. The latter voted for Haley Stevens. Black Democrats in urban areas and rural Democrats voted for Haley Stevens.

So the idea that Hassan is out there talking about the working class... they actually voted for the opponent. It was the suburban whites that powered Dr. Abdul's movement here in Michigan, and he's got a lot of work to do [to win over the proles].

 
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gather that Michigan is a must-win state for the Democrats in the mid-terms. El-Sayed will need to appeal to swing voters, not just hard-core activists. Is there evidence he has a solid plan for doing that? I don't see it in this Reich article.
Fair points, all, in your post. Reich is just opining, I think. I take his general observation that Dems are needing to come out of the corner swinging, and do better when they aren't "corporate Democrats" who are too beholden to their wealthy donors. I wouldn't mind seeing Michigan exit polls supporting his idea that voters were specifically looking for champions to fight maga tyranny. I do think disengaging with Israel, and pulling them off the teat, could draw some Independent voters as well as liberal Dems.
 
Fair points, all, in your post. Reich is just opining, I think. I take his general observation that Dems are needing to come out of the corner swinging, and do better when they aren't "corporate Democrats" who are too beholden to their wealthy donors. I wouldn't mind seeing Michigan exit polls supporting his idea that voters were specifically looking for champions to fight maga tyranny. I do think disengaging with Israel, and pulling them off the teat, could draw some Independent voters as well as liberal Dems.
This looks to me like quite a good article, analysing the deficiencies of Democrat policy priorities in recent years and suggesting how to win back working class voters: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/09/democrats-class-wealth-gap

To me, this addresses the reasons for the turn to Trump among working people.

This one, by contrast, seems to me to exemplify the inward-looking preoccupations of the more radical Left. A lot here about reasons to hate centrist Democrats and a lot of crowing about beating the centrists in the Michigan primary, but precious little evidence that the Left's manifesto is what working people actually want from the party: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-abdul-el-sayed-michigan-2028-zohran-mamdani

One of the strands that seems to run through a number of such pieces I have read is a note of triumph over winning primaries. It's as if they are confusing primaries - in which they merely compete against their fellow Democrats - with actual elections. (I should say the writer of the above article is a Sudanese Muslim commentator, based in London. How good her grasp is of the US political scene I do not know.)
 
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That was incisive. And especially true in urban areas. Where we live now, out in "the sticks," there is more contact and dialogue between the professional upper middle and working class (partly that's due to professionals here being more likely "first generation" coming from a farming/ranching family background, so they've had less time to lose sight of working class priorities). In red state ecosystems like ours, Dems don't survive if they're overly focused on the elite issues described in the article.
 
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This looks to me like quite a good article, analysing the deficiencies of Democrat policy priorities in recent years and suggesting how to win back working class voters: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/aug/09/democrats-class-wealth-gap

To me, this addresses the reasons for the turn to Trump among working people.

This one, by contrast, seems to me to exemplify the inward-looking preoccupations of the more radical Left. A lot here about reasons to hate centrist Democrats and a lot of crowing about beating the centrists in the Michigan primary, but precious little evidence that the Left's manifesto is what working people actually want from the party: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...s-abdul-el-sayed-michigan-2028-zohran-mamdani

One of the strands that seems to run through a number of such pieces I have read is a note of triumph over winning primaries. It's as if they are confusing primaries - in which they merely compete against their fellow Democrats - with actual elections. (I should say the writer of the above article is a Sudanese Muslim commentator, based in London. How good her grasp is of the US political scene I do not know.)
  • EXCERPTS: The fact is, many of the Democratic party’s ideological factions consist almost exclusively of college-educated professionals. As a result, the priorities of this class tend to dominate the party’s appeals. The priorities of working-class voters, meanwhile, are an afterthought. [...] The first thing to note about the gaps between the educated upper middle class and the working class is that the latter overwhelmingly prioritize economic issues, while the former lean toward cultural ones. [...] As Abbott and Williams demonstrate, signaling allegiance to such political priorities is far from costless. Embracing the values and slogans of the privileged tells working-class voters that you are either aloof to, or ignorant of, their priorities.
And that "elitism" or making one's population group into a target or candidate for that kind of "archetype" is what populism opportunistically revolves around (rallying against the perception of a domineering, lopsided establishment).

Of course, even the classic far-left rode on anti-elitism via class struggle against the capitalist bourgeoisie (as a replacement for the aristocracy of old) and winning the loyalty of European workers in that context. And later refinements of interpreting the West in general as an oppressive hegemony, which attracted Asian, African, South American, and regional indigenous lower classes.

There's no Bill Clinton (or arguably an effective one, anyway) in this era to generate the impression of the Democratic Party being center-oriented ("triangulation") and an Obama later renewing that spirit. It is instead DSA sympathetic figures who are sporting the political charisma and charm.
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Might seem like "duh" territory, but job-security careers repeatedly need research to verify the obvious. Also, vice versa, moderate candidates can become mute about speaking out about radical party members because they need their support, constituency voters, etc.

Decades ago, I used to draw a distinction between abiding voter will and civic leadership; even back then, Republicans consistently failed on civic leadership. Historically, this contributed to growing conservative mistrust toward institutions that they felt used to uphold and enforce conservative values; this, however, is a different discussion.

We can look back almost twenty years at a question of rightward drift↗, and that was a question of Democrats in 2007 landing to the right of 1970s Republicans on FISA. The overton window, as such, is what it is, but it is not unchanging, is not fixed in place.

How liberal are Democrats? Y'know, just for instance. Abortion, gay rights, lip service to civil rights. We can chart the difference, in our way: A Jesse Jackson speech in 1982, Clinton/Gore a decade later; in 2014, if the Democratic Party had finally managed an outward appearance matching Jackson's speech from once upon a time, a question remains what we bargained away or outright surrendered in order to get there.

These days, the difference between pandering to voters and actual civic leadership is beyond bothsides, it is a market expectation. To the other, what does that actually mean? Democrats are wary of labor, generally willing Zionists, and now so given to their habitual technocratic specialization that it reads like praxis; think of the difference between being disappointed in Dodd-Frank and where the Democratic Party is, today. It's one thing to ride populism about wealth, but it remains unclear whether Congressional Democrats are even capable of civic leadership. And in these Trump years, people have become very guarded; if liberals are unwilling to step out and take a chance, it is because they think they know how to read the market, and think they know the prospect is grim.

And this question of disloyalty arises, in its way, because it must. Even in '24, we could still find those weird holdouts who just needed to pretend something else was going on: They pretended the GOP under Trump was going to bring jobs, better economic growth, and border security. And they made dumb excuses about why others were unsatisfactory. Imagine voting for Trump because you don't like the sound of a woman's voice, or how a woman smiles.

Here is a basic comparison of disloyalty: Conservatives are angry if you don't follow along with every partisan whim. Liberals are distressed that someone would vote to hurt themselves and their families and community for the sake of the same thing that never comes true no matter how many times they betray themselves to vote for it. Conservatives easily accuse disloyalty; liberals easily wonder why people betray themselves, and of course that very word, "betray", describes disloyalty. But those who pretend the two conditions are the same are wrong.

Because there is this: Who said disloyalty, as such? That is, and just for instance, I've known people who would take that burden on themselves, as if by conscience, and then project in order to transfer the accusation to someone else. In fact, I don't think self-inflicted fears of disloyalty are really so uncommon. Examples include↗, projections about "everyone who doesn't precisely agree with your talking points", or "the notion that any deviation from some perfected received wisdom you are privy to is somehow bigoted"; by comparison, to wonder why↗ a would-be partisan ally trades so easily in oppositional thought triggers bawling complaint↗ to silence the inquiry. Nonetheless, at some point, complaining about an "idee fixe that anyone who tries to engage in conversation with the Right is making excuses for them and/or secretly in cahoots with their agendas" reads like a self-inflicted question of disloyalty.

Similarly, does nobody recall the campus free-speech crisis, ca. 2022↗, including the New York Times declaring the fundamental right of all Americans to "speak their minds and voice their opinions in public without fear of being shamed or shunned", and publishing an op-ed from a student describing self-censorship based on projection: "We keep our voices lowered, as if someone might overhear us," she explained. And one time, "the room felt tense", and she "saw people shift in their seats"; apparently her roommate "shuts his bedroom door" when she mentions "a lecture defending Thomas Jefferson from contemporary criticism".

One of the reasons "disloyalty" is in trending, as such, is because "loyalty" has become such a common discussion in particular contexts. But, to some degree, some question of this disloyalty is the latest reiteration the same self-inflicted alienation we can find on small discussion boards or the editorial pages of the New York Times, or in barfly conspiracism, and from small-town pulpits and even the occasional cardinal.

The expectation that people will appropriately line up and conform is risky, even volatile. And while dissent is often criticized as somehow wrongheaded, particular focus on loyalty is trending according to the fact of its marketplace demand.

As a matter of opposing factions and moderate ranges between, one side depends on loyalty in a context akin to religion; the other is largely caught up in the market trend. But if the right is akin to enforcing code among the cult particularly closely according to particularly narrow assertion of creed, questions of disloyalty left of center are more likely to be marketplace trend noise than, say, the perpetual leftist abstract sentiment that liberals are disloyal to the masses. I mean, seriously, not even DSA would―… Still, though, if the same old from the alienated left happens to coincide with the needs of today's right, then we should always be aware that what connects across the gap between the far left and right of the so-called horseshoe relies on what remains of common appeal between two otherwise disparate ways of thinking, and that pursuit of common empowerment is, by all historical accounts, dangerous.¹

Or maybe the answer is just as simple as saying, "Populism". Per the abstract transpartisan cause of nation and constitution and patriotism, the Republic and its blessings of liberty were what connected liberal and conservative. In populist dualism, what connects left and right is not some lofty notion of statecraft that transcends our differences, but a more personal and even intimate appeal to empowerment. It's almost the same as it ever was, but it feels somehow ossified or concretized, as if we're at the break but never bend part of the story. In a permanent dualism, there is only us and them, and if you're not with us, then you're with them. Oh, right, loyalty in a context akin to religion.

But that's the thing, it doesn't explain the proverbial everybody else; that's why marketplace demand becomes a consideration as defining or affecting influence.
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¹ Earlier this year, on the Horseshoe Theory↗ itself, "It's worth reminding there's a gap between the Left and Right extremes … Bridging that gap relies on what remains of common appeal between two otherwise disparate ways of thinking, and that pursuit of common empowerment is, by all historical accounts, dangerous." Circa 2019, on the radical center↗, "The answer reminds the horseshoe or circle or whatever the model of the radical center doesn't really exist; the common ground is antisociality".​
 
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