Personal Attacks

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Baron Max, Jun 4, 2007.

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  1. Benauld Does your dog bite? Registered Senior Member

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    Aaah, thank you for taking my bait, and running with it, hook, line, and sinker. Thereby demonstrating my point quite admirably. You see, around these parts "dumbass" is a phrase used to refer to people who do not pass wind. One who does not suffer from flatulence. Quite literally, their anal sphincter makes no noise.

    I was in fact, complementing Mr. Bush for his valiant, if very personal, commitment to reduce the production of greenhouse gases.

    P.S. Probably, I'm afraid you have me there too, hmmmm pickled are my favourite, absolutely categorically incorrect, well I do have a rather large one but you're probably best asking my wife.
     
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  3. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Please provide a link or click the Report button for those posts where anyone is referring to Christians (or any other religious cult member) as "idiots" or "stupid" so that I might correct that. There are so many posts, that I invariably miss some.

    Thank you,

    SkinW.
     
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  5. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    "Go cry to mommy."

    Interesting competitive survival strategy.

    "Mine becomes a bigger dick whenever mommy takes control of the situation."

    Another reason I'm no longer of the Left.
     
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  7. Balerion Banned Banned

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    What's wrong with setting ground rules for the forum? There are people who are quick to sling insults, and there has to be some sort of system that can keep them in check, to a degree.

    Don't act like an ass, and there won't be a problem.
     
  8. Odin'Izm Procrastinator Registered Senior Member

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    Everyone acts like an ass in this forum during a political discussion. I've been here about four or three years and nothing has been able to change it.

    I also have the common sense not to expect any better, and if you signed up to be a mod, live with your duties and sensor offensive posts, otherwise we have no need to give you power.
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, I agree. In real life we have fists, clubs and guns to keep people in check. So it's only right that sciforums has a way to keep us in line.

    Baron Max
     
  10. shorty_37 Go! Canada Go! Registered Senior Member

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    a muzzle?
     
  11. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    No, they just pull the plug on our computers!

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    If we could do something like that in real life, wouldn't it be great? I mean, if a nation wanted to start a war, someone just pulls the plug! Or if there's an uprising or revolution, the authorities just pull a plug ...instant peace and tranquility, huh?

    Baron Max
     
  12. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me." --Nursery Rhyme

    Unless my self-image is so insubstantial that I'm easily offended by words--as though I'm being physically assaulted, which is a crime. --Nursery Crime

    Testicular vagrants in a live exhibition as boobs.

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  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Assholes and twats

    First off, Spidergoat, love the hat!

    As to the general topic, what surprises me is how few of the people who complain the most about personal attacks are capable of understanding the concept. Wait, let me correct that, lest anyone think I'm attacking them: ... how few of the people who complain the most ... demonstrate the capability of understanding the concept.

    Look, it's kind of like our plagiarism rules. We don't like whole articles posted because of copyright concerns. But we also don't like excerpts posted without any comment by the poster. It's lazy and leaves the poster's opinion to be determined by the reader. And if there's one thing my time here has taught me well, it's that people don't like others thinking for them.

    Recently, moderators have received a string of complaints about personal attacks that present some problem for us. Apparently, anyone who openly and expressly disagrees with a poster is mounting a personal attack. Likewise, anyone who does not think highly of another is apparently mounting a personal attack. In addition to that, pointing out observably true, difficulties with a person's argument apparently equals a personal attack.

    Should we enforce such standards, Sciforums would finally become the liberal-extremist, bland kind of love-fest that is, coincidentally, feared by conservatives. Strange, eh? Especially when we consider that these ridiculous standards are being posited by folks who coincidentally argue more conservative viewpoints.

    I'm going to single out our topic poster for a moment: it's okay if you think the words I write are silly. That's fine with me. However, according to many of the complaints filed of late, calling my words silly is a personal attack that requires moderation and infraction points. Furthermore, what are people supposed to think when your expressed basis for calling something silly is so at odds with what is on record as to be absurd? Either you're functionally illiterate--a notion contradicted by the sentences you write, unless of course you're dictating them to a secretary--or intentionally choosing to ignore what's there. Frankly, I find this behavior more damaging than the occasional use of words and phrases like "gormless twit", "silly", or even more substantial insults involving words like "asshole".

    In fact, let's take a look at assholes for a moment.

    (1) "You're an asshole!"
    (2) "Asshole."
    (3) "Stop being an asshole."
    (4) "You're acting like an asshole, you know."

    Now, in the case of #1, that's clearly a personal attack. So, for the most part, is #2. But in the cases of #3 and #4, there is no permanent assignation. With the first two, there is a sense of assignation that a given poster hasn't the foundation, or, therfore, the right to sling. In the case of the latter two options, well, what if it is observably true that someone is acting in a manner generally described by the colloquial insult "asshole"? People can stop being or acting like assholes in this sense. Thus, while I can't say that someone who ignores what is written in order to mount an insult against a poster is, truly, an asshole, it seems to me that such people are, indeed, trying to be or act like assholes. And we'll all be much happier and more welcoming when such behavior ceases.

    Thus, if our topic poster, for instance, is acting like an asshole, he's acting like an asshole. He can, in theory, choose to stop, oh, say, being dishonest in order to be insulting. Whether or not he is permanently and irrevocably an asshole is well beyond my knowledge. But if telling him he's acting like an asshole on such occasions that he observably is constitutes a personal attack, how will he ever know? If nobody can tell him, he won't realize he's acting like an asshole, and therefore won't have any impetus to reconsider his behavior.

    Seriously, if people can't put at least a little bit of effort into expressing their anger, they might as well go somewhere private and shout at the wall. It's amazing what can be accomplished if one puts even the slightest effort into insults. (Why, for instance, did passive-aggressive sarcasm have a heyday in the 1980s and '90s? Because, to borrow from an old song, "It's fun and it's easy for the empty-headed fool." And why are people so sick of passive-aggressive sarcasm these days? Because, to borrow from an old song, "It's fun and it's easy for the empty-headed fool." In other words, when you're two and a half years old, people are supposed to be impressed that you're not pissing your pants. When you're an adolescent or adult, however, we're not impressed. For instance, we're not impressed because Mondrian managed to color inside the lines. The reason Mondrian's seemingly-simple artistic expressions are considered impressive go well beyond the psychology of sphincter control and color-by-numbers.)

    In short, put some effort into it. That way, you can have even more dubious pleasure when the person acting like an asshole pretends to not understand. And who knows, maybe they don't. I can't actually recall the number of times people have lashed out at me for using too many words.

    For instance, have I just spent a tremendous number of words calling Baron Max an asshole? One could look at it that way, I suppose. And some will. Of course, those folks are simply looking for something to fight about, and must necessarily, in order to draw such a conclusion, ignore such notions as underlying themes or, more directly, what is actually written in this post and why.

    For the rest of us, however, there are more important things to worry about than whether or not our topic poster is acting like an asshole.

    I won't start in on twats.

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  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    You never were, G. You never were.

    At least, not genuinely.
     
  15. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not seeing the down side.

    I've no need to outsource thinking for myself.

    What's your excuse?
     
  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    I believe you are mistaken in your terminology. Gathering and assimilating new data is not "outsourcing". It's called "learning".

    The thing is that at least you can cope with the same drivel you put out. And some of us do appreciate it. We're always pleased to reinforce your misconceptions. It's pretty much all you'll allow anyone to do, anyway.
     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    I think we should make an exception for Mr. G, otherwise we would lose his valuable insights into the liberal psyche.
     
  18. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Thing is, G, that words register in the brain just the same as physical pain. (Shrug.) Don't look at me; I haven't decided what that means yet.
     
  19. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    that was my last excuse when i was searched under the terrorism act at liverpool street train station. i was like "well to be honest i cant keep up with all the laws of society. you might aswell employ me as a lawyer if you expect me to remember all of the laws every second of my life".

    all i had was a bandana over my face with my hood up in rush hour,

    peace,
     
  20. EmptyForceOfChi Banned Banned

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    i used to be on the right when i was younger, then a few years later i started to lean towards the left, and it actualy ended up far left.

    but after the pills and penis work-outs i now hang straight down the middle with added girth.

    peace.
     
  21. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    It is you who are mistaken. :shock:

    The actual terminology is "assimilation and synthesis".

    I love you folks presuming the belief in an ability to lecture the actually learned.
     
  22. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    You're psyche's are liberally impermeable to exceptional insights.

    The call is made, the busy signal announces lack of interest.
     
  23. Mr. G reality.sys Valued Senior Member

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    Bull pucky.

    Since when is me calling you an idiot the same as kicking you in the nuts that you don't have because you don't fall to the ground when I call you an idiot?

    So I was redundant. Sue me. Pain and suffering, and all that. Be a man about it.

    Or not.

    (Shrug)
     
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