Olga's questions about blowing up the ̶S̶u̶n̶ Earth

[Olga]

Neoteny in humans - Wikipedia

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By the way, technologically developed societies leave remains which will show up in geological strata as anomalous concentrations of refined metals and other materials unique to advanced fabrication techniques.

Возможно, на месте тех пластов теперь океан.
Просто непонятно, почему люди развились намного быстрее обезьян, и других млекопитающих. Развивались же они, по идее, в одинаковых условиях.

 

[DaveC426913]

Dave, are there any other animals besides humans that live on different continents, were not brought there by humans, but belong to the same species?

Yes. Lots. Certainly anything that flies or swims. You probably mean terrestrial animals.

 

[DaveC426913]

It is simply unclear why humans developed so much faster than monkeys and other mammals.

Define "faster". All animals are evolving all the time.

If you pick a single trait, it's easy to say one species is outstripping another. Intelligence is only one trait. It may not be selected for in other great apes.

Canaries and sapsuckers are definitely evolving beaks faster than humans. Why?

 

[Olga]

Yes. Lots. Certainly anything that flies or swims. You probably mean terrestrial animals.

Они, эти животные, тоже зародились в одном месте, а затем распространились по всему миру?

 

[Olga]

Define "faster". All animals are evolving all the time.

If you pick a single trait, it's easy to say one species is outstripping another. Intelligence is only one trait. It may not be selected for in other great apes.

Canaries and sapsuckers are definitely evolving beaks faster than humans. Why?

Потому что у людей не модно иметь большой клюв. Некоторые даже делают себе пластические операции, чтобы его уменьшить.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Archaeology and palaeontology is the very definition wild places. You should read Neil Shubin's book, your inner fish.

I already know what the mainstream is going to say, so I am interested in alternate opinions that seem to possibly have some validity.

Try Randall Carlson, John Anthony West, Robert Shock, and Robert Bauval.

 

[TheVat]

I already know what the mainstream is going to say, so I am interested in alternate opinions that seem to possibly have some validity.

Try Randall Carlson, John Anthony West, Robert Shock, and Robert Bauval.

These are crackpots who practice pseudoscience and advance flimsy theories not supported by evidence or in some cases even basic logic. In science, the mainstream is the mainstream because their hypotheses are thoroughly tested and developed into theories with robust empirical support. When "alternate opinions"' are so tested and empirically validated then they also become part of the mainstream. Your roster of kooks, unfortunately, failed to find that empirical validation.

Carlson, for example, is a self-described "geomythologist" with no real credentials in earth sciences who loudly proclaims the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis (YDIH) which proposes that the onset of the cool period at the end of the Last Glacial Period, around 12,900 years ago was the result of some kind of cosmic event. It is rejected by actual experts, influenced by creationism, and unencumbered by any evidence. It is an alternative to the long-standing and widely accepted explanation that the Younger Dryas was caused by a significant reduction in, or shutdown of the North Atlantic Conveyor due to a sudden influx of freshwater from Lake Agassiz and deglaciation in North America. Olga, scientists don't widely accept an explanation because it sounds nice or cool or sexy or divinely mystical; they do so because that's where the evidence leads them.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

In the late 19th century physicists thought they had all bases covered and nothing new would be discovered. Then came the 20th century.

 

[Pinball1970]

. Then came the 20th century.

With 20thC seasoned, qualified, professionals and academics who found out the stuff we know today.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

With 20thC seasoned, qualified, professionals and academics who found out the stuff we know today.

And in the begining they were unproven theories.

 

[Pinball1970]

And in the begining they were unproven theories.

My point was that new science is discovered by scientists not unqualified cranks like Hancock.

Perhaps you like Terrance Howard also? He is not educated but has worked out new science and mathematics.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

My point was that new science is discovered by scientists not unqualified cranks like Hancock.

Perhaps you like Terrance Howard also? He is not educated but has worked out new science and mathematics.

New things are discoverable by anyone willing to look outside the limits of the present paradigm and consider explore and experiment. This is true of every thing from science to religion to economics to government, etc. Try googling "famous scientists without formal education".

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You don't like Hancock etc. because to consider what they say would shatter your world view.

Never heard of Howard. If I came across his work I would have to consider it and decide which parts may be valid.

 

[Pinball1970]

New things are discoverable by anyone willing to look outside the limits of the present paradigm and consider explore and experiment

So you think an untrained person could put together a theory explaining how pancreatic cancer could be treated better? By herbs and spices?
Or when the micro world switches to the macro and gives us the moon without looking at it? With no physics degree? No training in QT?
Do you go to a qualified dentist to do your root canal? A qualified mechanic to fix your brake pads?
Or just get Bill the Grocer on the case? He drives a truck right?

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

So you think an untrained person could put together a theory explaining how pancreatic cancer could be treated better? By herbs and spices?
Or when the micro world switches to the macro and gives us the moon without looking at it? With no physics degree? No training in QT?
Do you go to a qualified dentist to do your root canal? A qualified mechanic to fix your brake pads?
Or just get Bill the Grocer on the case? He drives a truck right?

People can train themselves. They don't need teachers. With enough data patterns can be ascertained by intelligent people that point to solutions to be tested.
Did you even try the google.
Bill the grocer may actually be more intelligeni than you.

 

[DaveC426913]

New things are discoverable by anyone willing to look outside the limits of the present paradigm and consider explore and experiment.

Is he discovering? Or is he drawing conclusions from discoveries?

In the natural sciences, discoveries can be done by anyone. Interpreting them requires a qualified professional.

This is what happens when interpretations are made by unqualified professionals ( ):


Smithsonian Institute, 207 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, DC 20078

Dear Mr. Williams,

Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labelled '93211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post... Hominid skull.'

We have given this specimen a careful and detailed examination, and regret to inform you that we disagree with your theory that it represents conclusive proof of the presence of Early Man in Charleston County two million years ago. Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head of a Barbie doll, of the variety that one of our staff, who has small children, believes to be 'Malibu Barbie.'

It is evident that you have given a great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in the field were loathe to come to contradict your findings. However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of the specimen which might have tipped you off to its modern origin:

1. The material is moulded plastic. Ancient hominid remains are typically fossilised bone.

2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9 cubic centimetres, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified proto-hominids.

3. The dentition pattern evident on the skull is more consistent with the common domesticated dog than it is with the ravenous man-eating Pliocene clams you speculate roamed the wetlands during that time.

This latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing hypotheses you have submitted in your history with this institution, but the evidence seems to weigh rather heavily against it. Without going into too much detail, let us say that:

1. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that a dog has chewed on.

2. Clams don't have teeth.

It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your request to have the specimen carbon-dated. This is partially due to the heavy load our lab must bear in its normal operation, and partly due to carbon-datings notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic record.

To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced prior to 1956 AD, and carbon-dating is likely to produce wildly inaccurate results.

Sadly, we must also deny your request that we approach the National Science Foundation Phylogeny Department with the concept of assigning your specimen the scientific name Australopithecus spiff-arino. Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound like it might be Latin.

However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this fascinating specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a Hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the great body of work you seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should know that our Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for the display of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution, and the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in your digs at the site you have discovered in your Newport back yard.

We eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the Director to pay for it. We are particularly interested in hearing you expand on your theories surrounding the trans-positating fillifitation of ferrous ions in a structural matrix that makes the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus Rex femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.

Yours in Science, Harvey Rowe Chief Curator-Antiquities

 

[davewhite04]

My point was that new science is discovered by scientists not unqualified cranks like Hancock.

If this is the Hancock I'm thinking of(Graham?) avoid like the plague, complete bullshitter and Netflix give him his own nonsense show.

 

[Pinball1970]

If this is the Hancock I'm thinking of(Graham?) avoid like the plague, complete bullshitter and Netflix give him his own nonsense show.

Yep

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

I am not going to bother defending Graham and others. If you can't see where they may be right, it's your problem.

 

[davewhite04]

I am not going to bother defending Graham and others. If you can't see where they may be right, it's your problem.

Hi Wizard,

I've had my eye on Hancock for years, I thought it was sensible and likely, until you see the flaws in both his work and character. You might eventually come to the same conclusion but first it's your journey down the Hancock rabbit hole, not mine.

EDIT: Example. He says a Mexican pyramid is like 20k years old, when the Mayans made VERY similar ones in around 1000 bc. He is in no corner, his findings disagree with both science, and philosophy and religion. It's fiction 100%.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Hi Wizard,

I've had my eye on Hancock for years, I thought it was sensible and likely, until you see the flaws in both his work and character. You might eventually come to the same conclusion but first it's your journey down the Hancock rabbit hole, not mine.

I'm not saying he's 100 or even 50 percent right, But some of his data is valid, if not his conclusions. as is data from the others. When it comes right down to it, I don't really care. It's all fun an games for me, while I wait for death.