Olga's questions about blowing up the ̶S̶u̶n̶ Earth

[Wizard of Whatever]

I knew Dibble before Hancock from his critique of the Homo naledi papers with other published scientists.
There is a cross over between geology, archaeology and palaeontology and some techniques employed in those disciplines.
My UG was applied Biology not archaeology so I am not qualified.
I am qualified enough to assess the credentials of a journalist who was not trained in science verses a research fellow and respected published academic.
I would like to think I can tell the difference between a professional scientific presentation using published data and what Hancock presented.
Plus Josh Rogan....

Stay civilized I prefer the wild places.

 

[foghorn]

He is an unqualified crank. I would check out debate between Hancock and Flint Dibble, a qualified archaeologist.

Does this vidio give an indication of where Hancock was 'coming from' with his writing back then?
Quotes from clip...

" 24 year nonstop cannabis habit."
" for 24 years I was pretty much permanently stoned and I enjoyed being stoned, and that it helped me with my work as a writer, and perhaps at some point it did, but when..."
Start Time tag 6:15 onwards...

 

[Pinball1970]

vidio give an indication of where Hancock was 'coming from' with his writing back then?

Smoking cannabis for a long time can cause issues for sure. However, Hancock's arguments did not have sufficient scientific data or arguments behind them.
There was no supporting evidence, the argument seemed to consist of, "you have not excavated everywhere yet."

 

[TheVat]

В Австралию, Теват? Какие мосты? Там что, что все океаны замёрзли? И расстояния прикиньте от Индии, из которой якобы человечество вышло, до Австралии и Америки.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_bridge

Prehistory of Australia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can research this further if interested. People used combinations of land bridges and short sea crossings using island chains. During ice ages, Northern routes would have pack ice to cross.

 

[Olga]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_bridge

Prehistory of Australia - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You can research this further if interested. People used combinations of land bridges and short sea crossings using island chains. During ice ages, Northern routes would have pack ice to cross.

Я почитала об этом. Всё равно как то мне кажется сомнительным, что древние люди могли преодолевать такие расстояния и препятствия. Почему бы им не жить там изначально, как кенгуру, например?

 

[DaveC426913]

it seems doubtful to me that ancient people could overcome such distances and obstacles. Why didn't they live there initially

All Humans are the same species. This means they did have a common geographic origin. That's incontrovertible.

 

[Pinball1970]

Stay civilized I prefer the wild places.

Archaeology and palaeontology is the very definition wild places. You should read Neil Shubin's book, your inner fish.

 

[James R]

Olga:

They were small bombs.

The question you asked me was: can anything remain after a nuclear explosion. You did not specify large bombs. But even if you had, my answer wouldn't be very different.

Why did man exist on all continents, unlike other species of plants and animals? This is not clear to me.

Plants aren't good at walking.

A lot of animals are very well adapted to a particular environment and therefore find it difficult or impossible to migrate into habitats that are very different. Humans are quite adaptable. And we discovered clothes!

He couldn't have sailed to Australia in the Stone Age, could he?

Yes he could. Canoes existed in the stone age. They don't need to be made of stone.

But when Australia was discovered, people were already there.

No. Australia was "discovered" when the First Nations people settled there 60,000 years ago. There was nobody here before them. No humans, that is.

It's the same with the Americas.

Again, human beings migrated to the Americas long before some guys from Spain sailed over there.

To Australia, Tevat? What bridges?

If I remember correctly, there have been no land bridges between Australia and Asia in recent times (e.g. the past 60,000 years). But there have been ice ages that have reduced the distance that people would need to paddle a canoe or a raft, to reach Australia.

And estimate the distance from India, from which humanity supposedly came, to Australia and America.

Humanity came from Africa, first. Then people migrated northwards at first, into Europe. From there, they spread east into Asia, and from there to places like Australia and the Americas.

Tevat, the weapon could not be nuclear, but something else, biological, for example.

Biological weapons do not usually destroy structures such as buildings and roads and computers.

And one more thing: it is believed that the continents separated 250 million years ago, and the distant ancestor of man originated in Africa about 200 million years ago. That is, at that time the continents were already at least 50 million years old.

Okay.

And Homo sapiens, capable of some more or less distant movements, appeared only 1.5 million years ago.

Yes. And so... ?

 

[Pinball1970]

Я почитала об этом. Всё равно как то мне кажется сомнительным, что древние люди могли преодолевать такие расстояния и препятствия. Почему бы им не жить там изначально, как кенгуру, например?

Translation "I read about it. Still, it seems doubtful to me that ancient people could overcome such distances and obstacles. Why didn't they live there initially, like kangaroos, for example?"

Question one. Are you the real Olga, Olga?

Question two, (regardless of yes or no to question one)
Humans originated out of Africa and migrated out via one of several different models.
We know humans evolved there as the earliest hominid fossils are found there, we know they migrated because of subsequent finds in Eurasia.
How humans migrated to the Americas and beyond involves a knowledge of climate change, ice age data, glaciers etc. The world was a very different place 20,000 years ago and in terms of Evolution and Geology, that is a drop in the ocean.

 

[Olga]

Привет, Пин! Я настоящая Ольга. Я этим вопросом раньше не особо интересовалась, и почему то думала, что предки европейцев были выходцами из Индии. Возможно, я так думала, потому что что то где то слышала про ариев, потомками которых себя считали гитлеровцы.

Просто мне пришла мысль, что возможно до нас уже существовали развитые цивилизации, и их остатки оказались на разных континентах. Поэтому люди намного развитее других животных. И человеческие детёныши так долго остаются беспомощными, по сравнению с другими видами. Например, черепашки сразу бегут к воде, а телёнок или жеребёнок сразу встают на ножки и бегут за матерью. Человеческие же детёныши даже голову несколько месяцев держать не могут. Как будто люди эволюционировали по другому, хотя выросли в одних и тех же условиях, что и другие млекопитающие.

 

[Olga]

Olga:

The question you asked me was: can anything remain after a nuclear explosion. You did not specify large bombs. But even if you had, my answer wouldn't be very different.

Plants aren't good at walking.

A lot of animals are very well adapted to a particular environment and therefore find it difficult or impossible to migrate into habitats that are very different. Humans are quite adaptable. And we discovered clothes!

Yes he could. Canoes existed in the stone age. They don't need to be made of stone.

No. Australia was "discovered" when the First Nations people settled there 60,000 years ago. There was nobody here before them. No humans, that is.

Again, human beings migrated to the Americas long before some guys from Spain sailed over there.

If I remember correctly, there have been no land bridges between Australia and Asia in recent times (e.g. the past 60,000 years). But there have been ice ages that have reduced the distance that people would need to paddle a canoe or a raft, to reach Australia.

Humanity came from Africa, first. Then people migrated northwards at first, into Europe. From there, they spread east into Asia, and from there to places like Australia and the Americas.

Biological weapons do not usually destroy structures such as buildings and roads and computers.

Okay.

Yes. And so... ?

Биологическое оружие не разрушает здания и компьютеры, а время и природные катаклизмы, разрушают.

Джеймс, а у этих коренных народов встречается отрицательный резус фактор крови? Просто интересно. У азиатов его нет. Очень редко бывает у их метисов.

 

[Olga]

All Humans are the same species. This means they did have a common geographic origin. That's incontrovertible.

Дэйв, а есть ли другие животные, кроме человека, которые живут на разных континентах, не были завезены туда людьми, но принадлежат к одному виду?

 

[Pinball1970]

Привет, Пин! Я настоящая Ольга. Я этим вопросом раньше не особо интересовалась, и почему то думала, что предки европейцев были выходцами из Индии. Возможно, я так думала, потому что что то где то слышала про ариев, потомками которых себя считали гитлеровцы.

Просто мне пришла мысль, что возможно до нас уже существовали развитые цивилизации, и их остатки оказались на разных континентах. Поэтому люди намного развитее других животных. И человеческие детёныши так долго остаются беспомощными, по сравнению с другими видами. Например, черепашки сразу бегут к воде, а телёнок или жеребёнок сразу встают на ножки и бегут за матерью. Человеческие же детёныши даже голову несколько месяцев держать не могут. Как будто люди эволюционировали по другому, хотя выросли в одних и тех же условиях, что и другие млекопитающие.

There is no doubt that we, the human race has it's origins in Africa. Where you define the human race is a question but all the main finds, oldest are from Africa. There is no debate.

Ancient aliens, ancient civilizations is Hancock crack crap Olga, stay away from it.

Also prove you are Olga!

 

[Olga]

There is no doubt that we, the human race has it's origins in Africa. Where you define the human race is a question but all the main finds, oldest are from Africa. There is no debate.

Ancient aliens, ancient civilizations is Hancock crack crap Olga, stay away from it.

Also prove you are Olga!

Доказать? Ну, я как то писала вам в переписке, что меня находит на разных сайтах какой то человек. Это же не мог никто прочитать, кроме вас, верно?

 

[Pinball1970]

Доказать? Ну, я как то писала вам в переписке, что меня находит на разных сайтах какой то человек. Это же не мог никто прочитать, кроме вас, верно?

Ok, bots, AI and scammers and hackers are everywhere now mate, can't be too careful. Very sophisticated now.g
I made the mistake of telling you my name. I had just mailed James R who I respect a lot and I always sign off now with my name not PB then mailed you and did the same.

What is my name Olga? First letter. Last test I promise.

 

[TheVat]

Yes he could. Canoes existed in the stone age. They don't need to be made of stone.

Thanks for a good morning belly laugh!

 

[Olga]

Ok, bots, AI and scammers and hackers are everywhere now mate, can't be too careful. Very sophisticated now.g
I made the mistake of telling you my name. I had just mailed James R who I respect a lot and I always sign off now with my name not PB then mailed you and did the same.

What is my name Olga? First letter. Last test I promise.

Вы никогда не называли мне своего настоящего имени, Пин. Вы сказали, что некоторым людям трудно выставлять в сеть свои фото, но легко называть своё имя. А у вас всё наоборот - вы легко выставляете своё фото, но предпочитаете не называть своего настоящего имени.

 

[TheVat]

If I remember correctly, there have been no land bridges between Australia and Asia in recent times (eg the past 60,000 years). But there have been ice ages that have reduced the distance that people would need to paddle a canoe or a raft, to reach Australia.

Sea levels significantly dropped during the last ice age. So there was a mix of land bridges and raised archipelagos with shorter sea crossings in them IIRC.
During the Pleistocene, when this took place, Australia, New Guinea, and Tasmania were connected as a single landmass called Sahul. The ancestors of aboriginals migrated from Southeast Asia to Sahul, ~ 50,000 to 65,000 years ago.

 

[TheVat]

just had the idea that perhaps there were developed civilizations before us, and their remains ended up on different continents. That's why people are much more developed than other animals. And human babies remain helpless for so long, compared to other species. For example, turtles immediately run to the water, and a calf or foal immediately stand on their legs and run after their mother. Human babies can't even hold their heads up for several months. As if people evolved differently, although they grew up in the same conditions as other mammals.

Neoteny in humans - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

By the way, technologically developed societies leave remains which will show up in geological strata as anomalous concentrations of refined metals and other materials unique to advanced fabrication techniques.

 

[Olga]

Sea levels significantly dropped during the last ice age. So there was a mix of land bridges and raised archipelagos with shorter sea crossings in them IIRC.
During the Pleistocene, when this took place, Australia, New Guinea, and Tasmania were connected as a single landmass called Sahul. The ancestors of aboriginals migrated from Southeast Asia to Sahul, ~ 50,000 to 65,000 years ago.

В наше время вообще не проблема определить откуда родом местные австралийские или американские племена. Просто проводится генетический анализ.