Of bullfightings

S.A.M. said:
I think killing animals for food is fine, we recycle the elements of life.
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I agree, as it it natural for humans to so from a historic perspective.
BUT.. we are simply with too many now.
Apparently whole populations still rely on wild game.. and cattle just pollutes too much.
 
Prince_James said:
Enmos:



Not at all.

But I don't like when the bull is injured or drugged before. Only cowards fight a bull who is not ready to rip you to shreads.

But ah, the romance of man v. beast! Defying death before the crowd. That takes some balls. Of course, again, if only the beast is legitimately a threat. I don't like canned hunts of any variety.
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Bullfighting IS a canned hunt :bugeye:
And the bullfighters ARE pussies.. take away their weapons and see them shit themselves right before they are ripped to shreds.

Do you think it would be acceptable to use a human instead of a bull ?
 
Prince_James said:
Simon Anders:



This is owing to the modern prevalence of drugging or injuring the bull beforehand.

It's more dangerous against a fresh beast.

Also: Motorcycle riding is actually pretty dangerous.
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What do you mean 'more dangerous' ?
A bullfighter without weapons and against a 'fresh' bull doesn't stand a chance.
 
I adore combat sports of all sorts. MMA, boxing, Greco-Roman, Judo, jiujitsu, Muay Thai, K1, karate, et cetera.
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Same here!! :) I've done various martial arts since watching too much Matrix in my early teens. I did jujitsu informally with some dudes who had learned it a while back, and I really want to learn it properly.

Bullfighting IS a canned hunt
And the bullfighters ARE pussies.. take away their weapons and see them shit themselves right before they are ripped to shreds.
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Agreed.

They should be made to face bulls WITHOUT any weapons. That actually would be brave, and it would be cool to watch.
 
Enmos:

Bullfighting IS a canned hunt
And the bullfighters ARE pussies.. take away their weapons and see them shit themselves right before they are ripped to shreds.

Do you think it would be acceptable to use a human instead of a bull ?
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How is it a canned hunt? If you don't drug or injure the bull beforehand, the bull fighter is in serious danger of being gored. Giving him a weapon is simply the rules of the sport.

And yes, I do think it would be acceptable for a human. I am completely fine with that.

What do you mean 'more dangerous' ?
A bullfighter without weapons and against a 'fresh' bull doesn't stand a chance.
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I beg to differ. Mas Oyama used to whoop on bulls constantly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mas_Oyama
 
Visceral Instinct:

Same here!! I've done various martial arts since watching too much Matrix in my early teens. I did jujitsu informally with some dudes who had learned it a while back, and I really want to learn it properly.
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That's really cool! You should definitely go and check out a class.

The Matrix was also a good film.

I'm enrolling in a Sambo (Russian style Judo mixed with Greco-Roman wrestling) class soon. I am looking forward to it.
 
visceral_instinct said:
Agreed.

They should be made to face bulls WITHOUT any weapons. That actually would be brave, and it would be cool to watch.
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But, for some reason, that will never happen.
People will be outraged when bullfighter after bullfighter ends up roaming the happy hunting grounds.

phlogistician said:
Killing for sport is sick. How people can enjoy killing an animal, for killing's sake escapes me.
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Lets face it, that's just how people are, sick..

Prince_James said:
Enmos:



How is it a canned hunt? If you don't drug or injure the bull beforehand, the bull fighter is in serious danger of being gored. Giving him a weapon is simply the rules of the sport.

And yes, I do think it would be acceptable for a human. I am completely fine with that.
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Well it least you're consequent, I respect that.
Saying that giving him a weapon is just the rules of the sport is kind of dodging on your part there.
It's not a fair fight, the bull cannot escape. And if, somehow, the bull wins he is killed anyway.
 
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The problem of the bullfight is that the bull is handicapped by nature. He tends to attack moving objects most of the time, thus a standing matador can get away by waving his cape.

Now he should try to do the same against a bear or lion and see what happens...
 
Syzygys said:
The problem of the bullfight is that the bull is handicapped by nature. He tends to attack moving objects most of the time, thus a standing matador can get away by waving his whatever you call it.

Now he should try to do the same against a bear or lion and see what happens...
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I agree, but put the matador in there with no weapons, and I'm not so sure which one will come out on top.
I'm placing my bets on the bull...
 
Enmos said:
I agree, but put the matador in there with no weapons, and I'm not so sure which one will come out on top.
I'm placing my bets on the bull...
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And let us not forget the audiance which is getting off on the violence, generally in safety, hence my enjoyment of the link I posted above. Any day a slave, gladiator or bull, manages to get up into the customers is a good day.
 
I do hope you are kidding. You think electrocution and throat cutting are less painful than bleeding out!!!!

I bet you've never actually been to a factory farm.
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Please read more carefully.
The thing is that you appear to be selective reading again. I was not comparing factory killing to Kosher killing, but normal slaughtering to Kosher killing.
Bleeding out is also the way that non-kosher animals are killed. The only difference is that in Germany, by law, they have to be unconscious to kill them with the least possible pain. The electrocution is not strong enough to kill them (this is forbidden by law) hence it is too weak to make meat burn or anything.
What we do agree that small scale slaughtering is better than high-throughput. But in my opinion (and to many anmal welfare organisations btw.) it is better to make them unconscious quickly before they are cut.

Just to be somewhat on-topic: Yeah I dislike bullfighting, too. And this is ethics.
 
we should genetically alter all creature to have opposable thumbs and allow them to carry firearms.
 
Phlogistician:

Yes, and of course, those bulls were never interfered with in any way.

Look, that linked article admits he used feats of showmanship to grow his dojo, so it wouldn't surprise me if he were less than honest about the state of the bull.

Man vs bull, ... man loses. End of story.
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He is known as a legitimate bad ass against human competition, and his student was one crazy idiot who used to fight bears, many of which had to be shot with tranquilizers when he failed to do stuff.

If I read Japanese, I'd look for old newspaper clippings on his bull fights. But I don't and I wouldn't research that heavily for the net.
 
Sygzys:

Now he should try to do the same against a bear or lion and see what happens...
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Gladiators would routinely slaughter all the animals brought into the arena with no death. A matador is probably equivalent in skill to the basic gladiator, therefore giving him a high likelyhood of killing a bear or lion with his sword.
 
Enmos:

Saying that giving him a weapon is just the rules of the sport is kind of dodging on your part there.
It's not a fair fight, the bull cannot escape. And if, somehow, the bull wins he is killed anyway.
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I'm willing to give a 120 pound man a sword to fight a bull. I would also be willing to permit men to fight without weapons if they wanted against bulls. I'd pay to see a man wrestle a bull.

That being said, I don't think the latter is accurate. When bulls show especial bravery and skill, they are often given pardons by the crowd. As such, the bull is not killed.
 
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