Nobody was really sure if he was from the House of Lords

TheVat

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Woke up, fell out of bed, was surprised to see this. Well done, Britain.

But why wait on going right to elections for all members? Seems long past due. The life peers, appointed by government, doesn't seem like a good system either. Speaking as a Yank, we've had our version of life peers, US senators who hold their seats for decades and too often end up as impediments to fresh problem solving, coasting along on past momentum and risk-averse donors who keep bankrolling their reelections. Not always a bad thing, but quite often they pretty much give up their enthusiasm for public service or handling societal change.
 

Woke up, fell out of bed, was surprised to see this. Well done, Britain.

But why wait on going right to elections for all members? Seems long past due. The life peers, appointed by government, doesn't seem like a good system either. Speaking as a Yank, we've had our version of life peers, US senators who hold their seats for decades and too often end up as impediments to fresh problem solving, coasting along on past momentum and risk-averse donors who keep bankrolling their reelections. Not always a bad thing, but quite often they pretty much give up their enthusiasm for public service or handling societal change.
The upper chamber is not quite the same as in the US. It is far less political, and really only offers a means of sense-checking Bills. The Lords can be bypassed completely after a number of efforts to get a Bill through them.
Lifelong peers that are decided by the outgoing PMs are a joke, and just their opportunity to pack the Lords with their fans. Heck, a junior assistant (?) to BoJo was given a peerage to become the youngest ever at, what, 30?. What did this person do to garner such a prize? Well, let's just say that SHE is very much of the BoJo "type".

But I'm not sure elections will be the way forward either. That will make it far too political. Remember, not just politicians get appointed Lords. Sportsmen, entertainers, literary figures etc. They're all allowed to sit in the Lords due to services rendered.
There probably needs to be some further reform, though, such as maximum age to sit in the House, but as to what else...?
Actually, maybe disband the Lords entirely, and have an agreed Committee, selected from the peers, to sit for a period of a year, or two, to provide the oversight to the government's Bills. Maybe 20 or 30 members on each committee. With the member's of the committee recommended and decided by consent in the Parliament.
Meh. What do I know. ;)
 

Woke up, fell out of bed, was surprised to see this. Well done, Britain.

But why wait on going right to elections for all members? Seems long past due. The life peers, appointed by government, doesn't seem like a good system either. Speaking as a Yank, we've had our version of life peers, US senators who hold their seats for decades and too often end up as impediments to fresh problem solving, coasting along on past momentum and risk-averse donors who keep bankrolling their reelections. Not always a bad thing, but quite often they pretty much give up their enthusiasm for public service or handling societal change.
It is my firm view that electing the House of Lords would be a major mistake.

One needs to understand the role of the House of Lords. It is a revising chamber and cannot make law. All it can do is comment on proposed legislation and propose changes. It can reject proposed legislation twice but if a bill is presented for the 3rd time, indicating the determination of the House of Commons to pass it into law, the Lords have to let it pass.

The great advantage of having a revising chamber populated by appointment is that it has, at least until relatively recently, been filled with various eminent peple from different walks of life who have something the Commons largely lacks, namely experience and expertise. One has retired military people, industrialists, trade unionists, social workers, medics, academics, lawyers, scientists, artists, religious leaders.... These people are very often able to scrutinise politically charged or badly drafted bills in a very valuable way. I used to listen to the Lords debates on the radio and I can tell you they were for the most part models of careful intelligent discussion, focused on the issues. This is quite unlike the Commons, in which debates are often a bear pit dominated by grandstanding, posturing and pressure to toe the party line. Why is that? It is because MPs are elected. As such they are as much marketing themselves to their electors and party supporters as they are trying to make good law. The Lords very often makes valuable amendments and by returning bills to the Commons for further scrutiny they often stop lousy or unworkable ideas making it through the system. That's because they don't need to have an eye on the next election all the time. A bit like (British) judges.

If the Upper House were elected, we would instantly import all the posturing, grandstanding and pressure to toe the line that we have in the Commons. The Upper House would become a useless duplicate of the Commons. Furthermore if elected, it would demand some sort of parity in decision-making with the Commons, on the basis that members had just as much an electoral mandate as MPs in the Commons. No one serious would go through the hassle of competing in elections if all they did was revise legislation drawn up elsewhere. What would be their electoral platform? To promise to revise laws with what in mind?

What we need instead is to stamp out the perversion of the process of appointing to the Lords, which has got worse over recent decades, culminating in Bozo's joke appointments which seem designed to make fun of the whole system and thereby destroy its credibility. I think appointments to the Lords should be put in the hands of an independent appointments committee and no longer be in the gift of the Prime Minister. One can always moan about quis custodiet ipsos custodes, but it would be far better than the present system.

Elections to the Lords is most definitely a terrible idea.
 
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Clarifying! Thanks both of you. We could use some "sense-checking" advisory body over here. The Senate was supposed to do that (they were originally appointed, not elected, too) but....(hysterical laughter). I like the idea of a smaller group which is drawn from all sorts of expertise and experience. Not sure about methods of selection, but then I'm never sure how independent an appointment committee can be. If we could replace our Senate with something like that.... but being a federation of states, it's hard to see any path towards that. The point of our Senate (with its non-proportionate representation) was to prevent the large population states from beating up on the small ones. If the House were relatively unfettered by the Senate, the common anxiety is that's what would happen.
 
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