No such a thing as premature ejaculation!

[ElectricFetus]

Yes I was kidding, yet death, war and hate are all natural and "right" in their own repects. Your independence is from someone going through a war.
Should we call it "premature slavery aversion" just because you don't have a taste for war? I think not.

Slave? who do you think I am?

I don't think you understand the ramifications of natural righteousness, the nazi ideology revolved around it, they claimed to be naturally the superior breed and might makes right.

Tell me a good thing premature ejaculation does? Then we can examine how it right in its own right.

 

[clusteringflux]

See, you're hung up on what you want to be real instead of what is real.

PE is a concept and nothing more. It's derived from ridiculous notion that men and women are supposed to immediately start having intercourse and climax together when even you have pointed out that it's not how we physically operate.
Everyone knows women can take longer to wind up and there's no reason to create a bogus term to place fault or blame on someone for a natural process.

 

[ElectricFetus]

See, you're hung up on what you want to be real instead of what is real.

PE is a concept and nothing more. It's derived from ridiculous notion that men and women are supposed to immediately start having intercourse and climax together when even you have pointed out that it's not how we physically operate.
Everyone knows women can take longer to wind up and there's no reason to create a bogus term to place fault or blame on someone for a natural process.

Climax together? Were do you get that idea? When a man and women screw they usually do it to feel good and express their love, now if the man finish off before the women and he loves her he usually feels bad and wants to improve his sexual abilities to please her, he finds ways to mitigate his PE, trying to achieve simultaneous orgasm is not necessary (or even possible). PE is thus self imposed term with no blame, only a realization that improvement is desired.

Racial hate and tribalism are natural processes too, it simply natural to defend ones genes or relatives and attack and kill unrelated others to take their resources for your self and your kind, but such behaviors are now seen as unproductive in todays society, egalitarianism is highly synthetic but is the goal anyways.

 

[Simon Anders]

See, you're hung up on what you want to be real instead of what is real.

PE is a concept and nothing more. It's derived from ridiculous notion that men and women are supposed to immediately start having intercourse and climax together when even you have pointed out that it's not how we physically operate.
Everyone knows women can take longer to wind up and there's no reason to create a bogus term to place fault or blame on someone for a natural process.

It seems like the OP and this post share a common idea about PE: the woman doesn't like it and the only reason men won't like it is because women don't like it. This is ridiculous. If PE is regular for you, you are know enjoying sex as much as you could. In fact some men know this directly because of how sex with another person compares in some ways with masturbation.

Having some ideal that everybody comes at the same time can be a burden, but it is not in anyone's best interest to simply view PE as a hallucination. There can be a number of causes of coming early and some of them can be changed.

Of course minimizing and eliminating blame is important, but we do not need to pretend that the man coming within a minute of penetration is simply something both people have to live with.

Further it is not my experience that women take longer. They may take longer to have several orgasms, but if there is foreplay for both sides, my experience is definitely that the women has her orgasm before me, at least her first. And I am not some sort of super stud nor am I bragging. It is not as if I go on for hours.

I think women have a tendency to want global stimulation and men are more likely to focus on genital stimulation - though they would be pleasantly surprised to find how much better their orgasms and the sex is if more of their bodies are warmed up, so to speak.

I think one of the causes of PM is the genital focus. Too much stimulation fast on the dick and too little spreading out over the man's body. Men and women are less different than they seem to be. Or to put this another way, bad habits have developed because men and women are trained to be different.

 

[clusteringflux]

Honestly, I cannot personally relate to any of this because I'm a huge fan of foreplay and am one of the very few men that have experienced multiple orgasms. Furthermore, I've been with the same woman for so long that climaxing together is a fairly common occurrence.
Now, after the last two comments, I understand where our viewpoints differ.
You're talking about a piss poor lover that has no clue how to get a woman off with foreplay realizing he has a problem and saying to himself "I am a PEer".
I'm talking about a woman who doesn't know much about her needs getting frustrated because she isn't getting off on intercourse alone saying to her man "you are a PEer".
Either way, I'm still not sure you can say how long is not long enough for a man to hold out. It's specific to each cas

 

[ElectricFetus]

Honestly, I cannot personally relate to any of this because I'm a huge fan of foreplay and am one of the very few men that have experienced multiple orgasms. Furthermore, I've been with the same woman for so long that climaxing together is a fairly common occurrence.
Now, after the last two comments, I understand where our viewpoints differ.
You're talking about a piss poor lover that has no clue how to get a woman off with foreplay realizing he has a problem and saying to himself "I am a PEer".
I'm talking about a woman who doesn't know much about her needs getting frustrated because she isn't getting off on intercourse alone saying to her man "you are a PEer".
Either way, I'm still not sure you can say how long is not long enough for a man to hold out. It's specific to each cas

I don't see what your problem with PE is then?

 

[clusteringflux]

I don't see what your problem with PE is then?

Because, if the goal is for her to have an orgasm, intercourse shouldn't be the first option. In which case,when the the man ejaculates becomes less of an issue.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Because, if the goal is for her to have an orgasm, intercourse shouldn't be the first option. In which case,when the the man ejaculates becomes less of an issue.

I think the goal is for both parties to be happy, you know that.

 

[clusteringflux]

I think the goal is for both parties to be happy, you know that.

Ah, so if the man is perfectly happy to blast one off and go to sleep, regardless of his partners desires, in his mind he's not a PE'er. Yet, in his lady friend's mind, he is a PEer.

Who is correct? Both of them?

Bogus term, bro.

 

[ElectricFetus]

Ah, so if the man is perfectly happy to blast one off and go to sleep, regardless of his partners desires, in his mind he's not a PE'er. Yet, in his lady friend's mind, he is a PEer.

Who is correct? Both of them?

Bogus term, bro.

Read what I said again "I think the goal is for both parties to be happy, you know that." Now correct your response.

 

[clusteringflux]

Read what I said again "I think the goal is for both parties to be happy, you know that." Now correct your response.

By your logic it's only a valid term if one person isn't happy and both parties are willing to confront the issue and look for a term that decribes a the man's ability to reach orgasm first durring intercourse.

I don't feel that "premature" is the best word to use because he may be in normal time range. Something can't be in the normal time range and premature both.

 

[ElectricFetus]

By your logic it's only a valid term if one person isn't happy and both parties are willing to confront the issue and look for a term that describes a the man's ability to reach orgasm first during intercourse.

I don't feel that "premature" is the best word to use because he may be in normal time range. Something can't be in the normal time range and premature both.

Sure it can, it just means he not "doing it right".

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

Men simply cannot win this one.

This isn't a debating team tournament, the purpose is not for somebody to "win." The purpose is for men and women to understand each other.

 

[Pronatalist]

The human body seems curiously "eager" to allow pregnancies to happen.

The human body seems curiously "eager" to allow pregnancies to happen.

I think that there is a real occurrence in which the term would fit better. That would be the "leaking" of semen that happens periodically before the man has an orgasm.This to me is the real "premature ejaculate" and can get you in quite a bit of trouble when applying the "pull and pray" method of birth control.

In fact, that's what I always thought the term was refering to.

I take that as yet another sign that humans were never designed to use any means of "birth control," other than of course, Biblically mandated abstinence until marriage, which of course can occur at a young age, BTW.

What's the purpose of pre-cum? Lubrication for sexual intercourse? Then why does it often not ooze, until after intercourse is occuring? No, isn't it really to guard against the "early withdrawal" method, to insure that pregnancy may still occur REGARDLESS? The pre-cum is an "appetizer" for the bigger "payoff" load to come, and to aid along with pleasure and all that, to show humans to leave it in and welcome the natural flow of human life unhindered. With the elegance and beauty of the "no method" method, pre-cum shouldn't be seen as much of a "problem" as pregnancy might occur anyway.

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

The human body seems curiously "eager" to allow pregnancies to happen. I take that as yet another sign that humans were never designed to use any means of birth control...

Well duh. The history of man, especially our recent history over the past twelve thousand years, has been one of steadily learning how to transcend nature. We make our own rules now and we're no longer in nature's bondage. Most of us are really really really grateful for that. So sorry you can't get with the program, dude. Maybe you can go live with one of those last remaining Neolithic tribes in New Guinea and have the life you yearn for, being a slave to nature.

Write and tell us how you like it... oh wait. Stone Age people don't have contraception OR computers.

 

[Repo Man]

I take that as yet another sign that humans were never designed to use any means of "birth control,"

Humans weren't designed at all.

 

[Simon Anders]

Now, after the last two comments, I understand where our viewpoints differ.
You're talking about a piss poor lover that has no clue how to get a woman off with foreplay realizing he has a problem and saying to himself "I am a PEer".
I'm talking about a woman who doesn't know much about her needs getting frustrated because she isn't getting off on intercourse alone saying to her man "you are a PEer".
Either way, I'm still not sure you can say how long is not long enough for a man to hold out. It's specific to each cas

This I can agree with, your last comment. I was not trying to say this is the only reason the 'coming too early' might be happening. Nor do I think there is a time, however I do think we could toss out a time like 30 seconds and say that in general this is PE. I suppose the 30 second man might find a 30 second woman, but then they are probably both Premature-ers or at least he is and she is probably just getting started and does not know what she is missing. With sex and bodies, who knows. I certainly wouldn't force such a couple to try to view it as unsatisfying. UP to them to complain.

 

[Gently Passing]

In my experience, going too long is a bad thing. I've actually been kicked outta there after 20 minutes or so...told to "hurry it up" and so on.

I seem to have the opposite problem, but is it really? If she boots me I'll just squirt in a napkin. No biggy.

 

[Fraggle Rocker]

In my experience, going too long is a bad thing. I've actually been kicked outta there after 20 minutes or so...told to "hurry it up" and so on.

We're certainly getting all the statistical outliers here. Based on what I've read, experienced, and been told anecdotally in my five decades since puberty, the overwhelming majority of women will reach orgasm in more than five minutes but no more than ten minutes. They appreciate us older guys because we usually take more than five minutes. But very few of them want it to go on for twenty minutes, certainly not more than occasionally.

Maybe a woman in her early 30s, at her sexual peak. But she'd be just as happy with a guy who can do it multiple times without having to spend hours recharging his battery.

I seem to have the opposite problem, but is it really? If she boots me I'll just squirt in a napkin.

Um... Oral sex works both ways and solves a lot of problems. In both sexes the mouth is the part of the body with the most intricate musculature and the most finely tuned control over it all. There are rather a lot of people who consider receiving it a really special treat. Both men and women.