No science or critical thinking in Religion or Philosophy forums (?)

This is not a science based discussion site [...]

??? Setting that oddity aside, to focus on the rational "thinking" element in the title of this thread...

Even works of fiction are still reviewed or critically evaluated slash analyzed. Being imaginary doesn't prevent a narrative or concept from being worthy of interest, examination, and consequent appreciation (depending on).

With religious doctrine it may be more a matter of internal consistency (how well various components of the "game" hang together without contradiction), rather than ferreting out (as in other creative literature) the meanings of story allegories slash symbols and the latter's merits.

Obviously, in a forum where naturalism is the background standard, the reality or facthood of anything supernatural is dismissed by principle in the metaphysical context; and lacks testable value in the methodological context (the science enterprise).

But again, classification as either "imaginary" or "impotent for this kind of endeavor" does not in and of itself equate to "uninteresting". The appraising process simply shifts to the benchmarks and methods for that kind of literature or set of intellectual abstractions.

And if the "religion" is actually practiced by some _X_ culture or population group (is not a mere construct confined to paper), then this means actual rituals, customs, and prescribed social interactions and behaviors being performed that attract anthropological study and the curiosity of historians.
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??? Setting that oddity aside, to focus on the rational "thinking" element in the title of this thread...

It makes no sense having a science forum just like a philosophy forum technology forum... because it has a science forum and most people who use it are scientists, instead of science simply being a forum it is the foundation of the site. James has explained the ethos, I can't remember what happened back in the day, Religious people have always been attempted mauling with every post, but there were good thinkers who rose above the childish fights.

Even works of fiction are still reviewed or critically evaluated slash analyzed. Being imaginary doesn't prevent a narrative or concept from being worthy of interest, examination, and consequent appreciation (depending on).

I think religion should be scrutinised as there is a lot depending on whether a certain belief is true. It needs level heads to inject some reality in a debate, sometimes.

With religious doctrine it may be more a matter of internal consistency (how well various components of the "game" hang together without contradiction), rather than ferreting out (as in other creative literature) the meanings of story allegories slash symbols and the latter's merits.

Yep. That is religious debate, but it is and can be so much more, I admit I haven't got many dimensions just some ancient beliefs and Christianity in my locker.

Obviously, in a forum where naturalism is the background standard, the reality or facthood of anything supernatural is dismissed by principle in the metaphysical context; and lacks testable value in the methodological context (the science enterprise).

Yep.

But again, classification as either "imaginary" or "impotent for this kind of endeavor" does not in and of itself equate to "uninteresting". The appraising process simply shifts to the benchmarks and methods for that kind of literature or set of intellectual abstractions.

Yep.

And if the "religion" is actually practiced by some _X_ culture or population group (is not a mere construct confined to paper), then this means actual rituals, customs, and prescribed social interactions and behaviors being performed that attract anthropological study and the curiosity of historians.
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Yes C C, Agreed.
 
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"science" as a word has a lot of meanings. It is not apparent which one is intended here.
I wonder if the user of the word is using it in its "test tubes and scatterplots" form.

You can absolutely study religion using critical analysis, clear thinking and evidence-based argument. (Just speak to any one who as a Bachelors, Masters or Degree in Religious Studies or similar.)

Its just that few people here use critical analysis, clear thinking and evidence-based argument when discussing religious issues.

When did I say you couldn't? Surely we've talked about the existence of a historical figure called Jesus of Nazareth, using history.
 
You seem ignorant, with the usual disdain for Christianity.
I remember RS now. RS is a long-time member who hasn't been seen in these parts in a few years. I've had him on Ignore for years, not because he's obnoxious, but because I've never seen him post a meaningful, cogent thought or sentence. Post #46 is typical; it isn't even a sentence, is only tangentially related to the thread, and adds little to the discussion. It's little more than bait, thrown out, to elicit a reaction. This has been his signature MO for years.

I found it just a distraction, and threads were simply more parsable with his posts hidden.

That's not to say people can't change, but it's not looking good so far. This is merely my opinion.
 
I remember RS now. RS is a long-time member who hasn't been seen in these parts in a few years. I've had him on Ignore for years, not because he's obnoxious, but because I've never seen him post a meaningful, cogent thought or sentence. Post #46 is typical; it isn't even a sentence, is only tangentially related to the thread, and adds little to the discussion. It's little more than bait, thrown out, to elicit a reaction. This has been his signature MO for years.

I found it just a distraction, and threads were simply more parsable with his posts hidden.

That's not to say people can't change, but it's not looking good so far. This is merely my opinion.
I remember him. But it is good to see him back and alive I guess.
 
There's a lot more than one book. Tanakh, Torah, Old testament, New testament, Quran, Bhagavad Gita... the religious texts, then mountains of books on the subject. You seem ignorant, with the usual disdain for Christianity.
Books are someone else's. Observation and experience are yours. If the two intersect in places fine, if not, so be it.
 
I remember RS now. RS is a long-time member who hasn't been seen in these parts in a few years. I've had him on Ignore for years, not because he's obnoxious, but because I've never seen him post a meaningful, cogent thought or sentence. Post #46 is typical; it isn't even a sentence, is only tangentially related to the thread, and adds little to the discussion. It's little more than bait, thrown out, to elicit a reaction. This has been his signature MO for years.

I found it just a distraction, and threads were simply more parsable with his posts hidden.

That's not to say people can't change, but it's not looking good so far. This is merely my opinion.
Yes I've had him on Ignore for years too, for much the same reasons.
 
There's a lot more than one book. Tanakh, Torah, Old testament, New testament, Quran, Bhagavad Gita... the religious texts, then mountains of books on the subject. You seem ignorant, with the usual disdain for Christianity.

Christian Church's quote and read from the Bhagavad Gita & Torah during Services ?(im learning something new)

Google Ai
Some research suggests that 41% of Americans believe the Bible is the word of God and contains no factual or historical errors. A separate study found that 20% believe the Bible is literally true, word for word.
 
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There's a lot more than one book. Tanakh, Torah, Old testament, New testament, Quran, Bhagavad Gita... the religious texts, then mountains of books on the subject. You seem ignorant, with the usual disdain for Christianity.

i am yet to ever hear of a christian church quoting the Quran during a service.
 
By and large the site ticks over great, it's just everyone(inc me) gets riled up in the religion forum because you can't mix religion with science.
That, in itself, is a particular philosophical position. Not everybody agrees with it - myself included.

A famous past prononent of it, on the science side, was biologist Stephen Jay Gould, who argued that science and religion are "non-overlapping magisteria".

Personally, I don't think that religion ought to get a free pass when it attempts to talk about matters that are within the province of science, such as evidence-based matters.
 
Where did you think of the title of the thread. I mentioned nothing about no "critical thinking" in religion or "science" in philosophy obviously they both require critical thinking and one science.
Do you have a suggestion for an appropriate alternative title? Let's hear it.
 
Do you understand? Or do you just like selecting sensational titles that have no foundation in reality. I take it as a personal attack, which it is in cowards fashion.
Would you similarly regard it as a coward's fashion to fail to directly respond to any my posts that directly addressed your concerns, above?
 
Religious people have always been attempted mauling with every post, but there were good thinkers who rose above the childish fights.
Most of the traffic we get from religious folks here tends to be from the ones who aren't good thinkers. It more tends to be people who hold dogmatic beliefs and who come here to try to proselytise to the atheists, or - in some cases - with the specific intent of arguing with atheists in bad faith.

The good religious thinkers have mostly made their peace with science. Rather than seeing it an enemy that must be fought and destroyed because it is in conflict with their religious revelation, they see it as just one more aspect that reflects the majesty of their god(s). Those people, of course, have had to make some concessions. They can't, for instance, insist that their holy books are literally 100% true, or pretend that they are science texts as well as religious ones. But most of them see this is a reasonable concession. One doesn't have to stop believing in God just because one accepts that the bible was written by men, for instance.

The fundamentalists, of course, will make no such concession. But none of them value critical thinking or evidence, when it comes to their religions.
 
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