exchemist
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Do you mean AGI or just common or garden AI?
AGI is the latest castle in the sky from the tech bros. Doesn't exist. Even further away than commercial quantum computing, which doesn't exist either.
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AGI is the latest castle in the sky from the tech bros. Doesn't exist. Even further away than commercial quantum computing, which doesn't exist either.
Pinball1970
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General AI, I'm not familiar with the other, I would have to use Ai to get details on what AGI is!
exchemist
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"Artificial General Intelligence" is the Holy Grail for the tech bros: an AI equivalent or surpassing that of human beings in comprehensiveness and versatility. They keep saying it is just around the corner, to boost the stock price. But it isn't.
Pinball1970
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I cannot remember everything, that's fine, I am not interested in everything either, that's fine too. Before the internet we used reference books, text books and journals.
What we were not allowed to do was get someone else to do the work for us or plagiarism because then it is not you.
What you are doing is not you, what did you honestly know about the Higgs mechanism, methylation in epigenetics or chirality in drugs before you asked Eve?
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Pinball1970
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Ok, I'll look up more details on that. All the Ai I have used have been glorified and personalised search engines.
Mine can do mathematics now, I keep testing it.
exchemist
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AGI, if it ever happens, will need to be of an entirely different order from the current AI. I am sceptical.
P.S. By coincidence, something in today's Grauniad on the subject of the financing and risks of AGI:
‘We could hit a wall’: why trillions of dollars of risk is no guarantee of AI reward
Progress of artificial general intelligence could stall, which may lead to a financial crash, says Yoshua Bengio, one of the ‘godfathers’ of modern AI
www.theguardian.com
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Yep, I'm quite sceptical, as well. Where AI presently stands, I'm impressed by it's ability to, say, parse information in certain forms--like interpreting an MRI far more quickly, thoroughly, and efficiently than a person, or even a team of persons, ever could. But AGI will necessarily entail extremely sophisticated LLMs, as well, and as to where those stand presently? Not impressed. At all. There's no capacity for discernment whatsoever. But where AI is even weaker is with respect to, say, creative matters which are rather difficult to define or pigeon-hole anyway--and if people can't even articulate the problem, or the attribute which AI is lacking, there's not much hope for AI to just figure it out on it's own.
Pinball1970
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What about the age of the Universe? That was quite a Biggie. Also strings in the 1980s, I was quite surprised at that, then I was surprised that it seem to start falling apart about 30 years later.
Wizard of Whatever
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I doubt AI could surpass humans in anyway but speed. They are a one-trick pony without senses, emotions, feelings, or awareness or even reflection. They are glorified calculators and search algorithms.
exchemist
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String theory has never made a single observable prediction.
Wizard of Whatever
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They will be. If you think a senseless computer algorithm can surpass an evolving entity, you are really pushing it,
Pinball1970
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There were a few predictions that the LHC could have revealed IIRC.
None turned up however.
My attention to the problems arose when I read Lee Smolin and Peter Woit.
They said not only does ST fail to give experimental results, it actually fails to qualify as science, since it cannot be tested and or falsified.
Leonard Suskind has recently said it's wrong and a new approach is needed, so that is 40 years of research down the pan.
Pinball1970
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Pinball1970
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That's not what it says. Godel showed that Hilbert was wrong, there cannot be a complete axiomatic arithmetic system that is logically consistent, there will be statements about that system that cannot be proven and or falsified.
Это детерминированная система? Тогда она абсолютно предсказуемая и просчитываемая, хотя и может быть достаточно сложной.
Pinball1970
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Why don't you start a thread on Ai! That way you will not feel the need to insert it into every thread.
Он вам не ответит, Пин. Джеймс заблокировал его по доносу Дэйва. И опять на этом сайте наступит скука смертная. Наверное, я тоже уйду. Что тут делать? Обсуждать Трампа и трансвеститов? Деградация полная.
Pinball1970
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He did not know anything about the subjects he posted on Olga. To be precise, his posts were original and correct, unfortunately his posts that were correct were not original and the posts that were original were not correct.