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This was reported in todays Financial Post. There is allegedly a 3rd Party verification and a demonstration slated for the 28th.

http://www.financialpost.com/market...vement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html

I am posting this based on the Press Release and am not fully informed on this. Hoax? Who knows.

BlackLight Power, Inc. (BLP) today announced that it has produced millions of watts of power with its breakthrough Solid Fuel-Catalyst-Induced-Hydrino-Transition (SF-CIHT) patent pending technology in its laboratories.

Using a proprietary water-based solid fuel confined by two electrodes of a SF-CIHT cell, and applying a current of 12,000 amps through the fuel, water ignites into an extraordinary flash of power. The fuel can be continuously fed into the electrodes to continuously output power. BlackLight has produced millions of watts of power in a volume that is one ten thousandths of a liter corresponding to a power density of over an astonishing 10 billion watts per liter. As a comparison, a liter of BlackLight power source can output as much power as a central power generation plant exceeding the entire power of the four former reactors of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant
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Science is due a nice breakthrough.

10 billion watts per liter of water is quite a claim and would be a game changing tech to all.

It will be interesting to see if this is legit.

The Third Party Verification does sound pretty ... (BELOW)
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We at The ENSER Corporation have performed about thirty tests at our premises using BLP’s CIHT electrochemical cells of the type that were tested and reported by BLP in the Spring of 2012, and achieved the three specified goals,” said Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan, Engineering Fellow, of The ENSER Corporation. “We independently validated BlackLight’s results offsite by an unrelated highly qualified third party. We confirmed that hydrino was the product of any excess electricity observed by three analytical tests on the cell products, and determined that BlackLight Power had achieved fifty times higher power density with stabilization of the electrodes from corrosion.” Dr. Terry Copeland, who managed product development for several electrochemical and energy companies including DuPont Company and Duracell added, “Dr. James Pugh (then Director of Technology at ENSER) and Dr. Ethirajulu Dayalan participated with me in the independent tests of CIHT cells at The ENSER Corporation’s Pinellas Park facility in Florida starting on November 28, 2012. We fabricated and tested CIHT cells capable of continuously producing net electrical output that confirmed the fifty-fold stable power density increase and hydrino as the product.”
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If True ...

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100 times cheaper electricity might be a good thing ...

From
http://www.blacklightpower.com/technology/ciht-cell/
The mechanism may be broken down to interdependent steps:
1. Assume CIHT is similar to an alkaline fuel cell, except that an electric current is passed through it and an inert atmosphere with trace H2O vapor surrounds the cathode, anode, and electrolyte.

2. Current is introduced, which produces hydrogen and oxygen from the electrolysis of the supplied trace H2O. Then, the cell is discharged for a much longer time than it was charged at essentially the same voltage maintained by the energy released from the hydrino reaction.

3. Nascent H2O is formed at the anode during discharge by oxidation of OH- and reaction with H. Hydrinos are then formed at the anode during cell discharge as a result of the atomic hydrogen reacting with the nascent water that serves as the catalyst to form the hydrinos.

4. When the hydrinos form, energy is given off that causes spontaneous electrochemical reactions to occur at both electrodes that result in a self-propagating electrochemical cycle wherein H2O is converted to hydrinos, electricity, and oxygen. Specifically, oxidation-reduction reactions of H2O involving oxygen and oxygen ion intermediates such as hydroxide, oxides, peroxides, and superoxides are involved in the spontaneous electrolysis of water powered by hydrino formation that in turn result in the formation of catalyst and hydrinos. The equivalent of Steps 1 and 2 occur continuously, except that no electricity has been applied during this process. Power is produced with a large net gain in electricity (e.g. 10X) over that to initiate the spontaneous electricity-producing process.
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kwhilborn said:
This was reported in todays Financial Post. There is allegedly a 3rd Party verification and a demonstration slated for the 28th.

http://www.financialpost.com/market...vement+Generation+Millions/9384649/story.html

I am posting this based on the Press Release and am not fully informed on this. Hoax? Who knows.


Science is due a nice breakthrough.

10 billion watts per liter of water is quite a claim and would be a game changing tech to all.

It will be interesting to see if this is legit.

The Third Party Verification does sound pretty ... (BELOW)
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I cannot be certain, of course, but I believe it to be a hoax. And BlackLight Power is known for it's outrageous claims in the past - announcing stuff that simply did NOT exist or work. So I hope you'll excuse my vast underwhelming attitude. They have also had to RETRACT filings with the US Patent Office.

I would strongly recommend that everyone read this Wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackLight_Power before loosing any sleep over what I believe to be nonsense.
 
Read-Only said:
I cannot be certain, of course, but I believe it to be a hoax. And BlackLight Power is known for it's outrageous claims in the past - announcing stuff that simply did NOT exist or work. So I hope you'll excuse my vast underwhelming attitude. They have also had to RETRACT filings with the US Patent Office.

I would strongly recommend that everyone read this Wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackLight_Power before loosing any sleep over what I believe to be nonsense.
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Here we go again, in fact.

The notion that the electron in the hydrogen atom can go below its ground state would seem to violate a fair number of well-established principles. So, it falls into the the category of extraordinary claims……..well, we all know the rest………….

Wake me up when this joker has a commercial device actually generating the power claimed, or when someone rewrites the whole theory of atomic structure to accommodate this idea.
 
billvon said:
As free energy goes, the Papp Engine has a much better track record.
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Confess I had to look this up. Papp sounds a bit like Rossi: paranoid, intent on making money before the science (if any) is established, ending in a chain of failed and/or suspicious demonstrations. Though Rossi has yet to kill anyone, it's true.

I had vaguely heard of this Blacklight bunch, I think, but had to look up what their particular schtick is. An energy state of the hydrogen electron below its ground state strikes me as being in the ballpark of 99%+ likelihood of being total cobblers. Naturally, they too want to commercialise a machine before the science is established. The same, arse-about-face strategy, beloved of charlatans through the ages.
 
@ Exchemist,

they too want to commercialise a machine before the science is established. The same, arse-about-face strategy, beloved of charlatans through the ages.
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So by this logic mankind should have avoided using fire until the 20th century.

I do not endorse Blacklight as I stated in the OP, but it was an interesting claim in The Financial Post.

@ Read Only,

I read your Wiki Link and it states that this organization has amassed over 60 Million in venture Capital for this project. Is it some sort of Ponzi Scheme?

I am a great believer in Logic and am an amateur (mostly) Magician, and am having a harder time understanding how this scam would work. Since this inventor has already raised 60 million dollars ...

What is his angle?

Why are Third Party Organizations supporting the idea?

NOTE: THIS NEWS CLIP IS 5 YEARS OLD AND MAKES SAME OR SIMILAR CLAIMS.

ON CNN ...
[video=youtube;Ymlc8nk7Mdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymlc8nk7Mdk[/video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg

Now it is 5 years later... Why are they not all in Argentina sipping Mai-tai's by now?

NOTE: They are now claiming it is more than 10 times as efficient as then.

They are also holding a demonstration at the end of this month ( Why ESCALATE) which is the first time they have ever done that. They have popped up about once every year and announced they have a breakthrough and the vanished again, but never have they gone this far.

Also the Patents you said they withdrew were actually rejected as the claim contravenes (supposedly) known physics. We also see that with LENR (kind of related) which I still maintain is real.

I would be more comfortable with rejecting the idea if I could see the smoke and mirrors.

RE: LENR,

LENR is confirmed as true by dozens of unrelated sources. People say Rossi is after money but he was obviously rich enough to pursue LENR for years unencumbered, and had even hired Focardi. Rossi refused many investors. If he had gone public I would have purchased shares, but he has turned his nose up at most offers of money.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/27/rossi-roundup
He did get into trouble previously when he attempted waste Management in a country known to be dominated by Mafia, but he returned and faced all charges when he could have easily remained in the United States after President Carter gave him a Visa.

He has owned a company worth 30 million (USD).

I guess I am saying that scam scenarios usually involve attempts to raise money, and then the scammer usually ends up in a country with no extradition. This stage is missing. Why would Blacklight raise 60 million and still need more?

Why would Blacklight and Rossi aim to work in the United States where some of the toughest anti-fraud laws exist?

I am still not endorsing Blacklight, but I'd like the "scam" to make sense.

NOTE: Dr. Randall Mills, founder of Blacklight Power graduated summa cum laude (Top 10% of class) and Phi Beta Kappa (high academic achievement) in 1982 with a degree in Chemistry from Franklin and Marshall College in Pennsylvania, and went on to Harvard Medical School, where he earned the MD.
degree in 1986, conducted applied research, and filed patents on several revolutionary medical technologies.
He has been issued numerous patents by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in such areas as medical imaging, Mossbauer cancer therapy, and drug delivery systems (Discussed in LINK BELOW). Since 1989, however, he has devoted nearly all his energies to the development of what he has dubbed the HydroCatalysis process of liberating energy from hydrogen atoms.
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~userwho/aquarian/millsbio.html (read in entirety)

Although mostly ignored he did also publish a Unifying Theory for Physics.

The above note also tells us this "SCAM" was started by a Medical Doctor educated at Harvard who also has a summa cum laude (Top 10% of class) and Phi Beta Kappa (high academic achievement) Degree in Chemistry.

IF Dr. Randall Mills worked as a (Harvard Educated) Doctor since 1989 (25 years), he could have earned minimum $100k a year with plenty of time for lying on the beaches.

I want to think its a scam, but why would he do this?

Mainstream Physics disagrees with him. So he is either a scammer or smarter than everyone else. Both are possible.
 
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Despite his background, Mills has an obsession with what he calls "hydrinos", something that NO ONE outside himself and his company says is even possible. And his ignorance is displayed in that "Unifying Theory for Physics" - it's nothing but a load of BS.

In order to save time, energy and wasted posts, I'll just take the same stance as I've done with Rossi: Simply sit back and see. But I will note that nothing has come from the Rossi side and I expect the same here.
 
@ Read Only/All,

The Energy devices demonstrated (by validations) seems to have progressed from a powder to water vapour as the source. It would appear a logical progression of R&D but I am still not endorsing this.

The reasons LENR seem easier to accept is because dozens of unrelated parties are all making claims they have working devices to some extent.

The LENR thread was hit fairly hard with spam although I have been watching the field and its proponents.

It is still progressing
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2014-01/15/cold-fusion-moves-into-mainstream

or a video of Doctor McKubre posted today also...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYrv-4Yl_v0#t=18
(Those are just from today).

No need to watch video. Dr. McKubre just verifies he has seen many replications of Cold Fusion experiments. This is a man who saw Cold Fusion kill a coworker and injure him. He still has glass inside him.

The above link to WIRED Magazine (published today) is an example of what I have not been posting. Although the articles Title "Cold fusion continues to progress stealthily into the mainstream" pretty much covers that story.

I still maintain we will be using some form of LENR (BLP Counts) in our cars by 2021. I said 10 years in 2011.

Quite honestly the only possibility of LENR being a scam is if a few dozen organizations (all with many Academics) all decided to fake LENR at the same time. You would need to disqualify Toyota, Brillouin, Honda, Rossi, piantelli, Celani, Mitsubishi, Miley, Hagelstein, Defkalion, Nasa, BLP, and many more making identical LENR claims.

Given the Education and Background of Dr. Randall Mills, and the notion that such a company as BLP would not have gone 25 years into a subject without at least some validation along the way, I am inclined to think they have done something, but is it a stable reaction or does it collapse as the Rossi Demos often did in the beginning.

When there is noteworthy LENR news I will start the thread up again, but for now most everyone is being hush.
 
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kwhilborn said:
@ Exchemist,



So by this logic mankind should have avoided using fire until the 20th century.

I do not endorse Blacklight as I stated in the OP, but it was an interesting claim in The Financial Post.

@ Read Only,

I read your Wiki Link and it states that this organization has amassed over 60 Million in venture Capital for this project. Is it some sort of Ponzi Scheme?

I am a great believer in Logic and am an amateur (mostly) Magician, and am having a harder time understanding how this scam would work. Since this inventor has already raised 60 million dollars ...

What is his angle?

Why are Third Party Organizations supporting the idea?

NOTE: THIS NEWS CLIP IS 5 YEARS OLD AND MAKES SAME OR SIMILAR CLAIMS.

ON CNN ...
[video=youtube;Ymlc8nk7Mdk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymlc8nk7Mdk[/video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfjOIoPwolg

Now it is 5 years later... Why are they not all in Argentina sipping Mai-tai's by now?

NOTE: They are now claiming it is more than 10 times as efficient as then.

They are also holding a demonstration at the end of this month ( Why ESCALATE) which is the first time they have ever done that. They have popped up about once every year and announced they have a breakthrough and the vanished again, but never have they gone this far.

Also the Patents you said they withdrew were actually rejected as the claim contravenes (supposedly) known physics. We also see that with LENR (kind of related) which I still maintain is real.

I would be more comfortable with rejecting the idea if I could see the smoke and mirrors.

RE: LENR,

LENR is confirmed as true by dozens of unrelated sources. People say Rossi is after money but he was obviously rich enough to pursue LENR for years unencumbered, and had even hired Focardi. Rossi refused many investors. If he had gone public I would have purchased shares, but he has turned his nose up at most offers of money.
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-02/27/rossi-roundup
He did get into trouble previously when he attempted waste Management in a country known to be dominated by Mafia, but he returned and faced all charges when he could have easily remained in the United States after President Carter gave him a Visa.

He has owned a company worth 30 million (USD).

I guess I am saying that scam scenarios usually involve attempts to raise money, and then the scammer usually ends up in a country with no extradition. This stage is missing. Why would Blacklight raise 60 million and still need more?

Why would Blacklight and Rossi aim to work in the United States where some of the toughest anti-fraud laws exist?

I am still not endorsing Blacklight, but I'd like the "scam" to make sense.

NOTE: Dr. Randall Mills, founder of Blacklight Power graduated summa cum laude (Top 10% of class) and Phi Beta Kappa (high academic achievement) in 1982 with a degree in Chemistry from Franklin and Marshall College in Pennsylvania, and went on to Harvard Medical School, where he earned the MD.
degree in 1986, conducted applied research, and filed patents on several revolutionary medical technologies.
He has been issued numerous patents by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in such areas as medical imaging, Mossbauer cancer therapy, and drug delivery systems (Discussed in LINK BELOW). Since 1989, however, he has devoted nearly all his energies to the development of what he has dubbed the HydroCatalysis process of liberating energy from hydrogen atoms.
http://members.bellatlantic.net/~userwho/aquarian/millsbio.html (read in entirety)

Although mostly ignored he did also publish a Unifying Theory for Physics.

The above note also tells us this "SCAM" was started by a Medical Doctor educated at Harvard who also has a summa cum laude (Top 10% of class) and Phi Beta Kappa (high academic achievement) Degree in Chemistry.

IF Dr. Randall Mills worked as a (Harvard Educated) Doctor since 1989 (25 years), he could have earned minimum $100k a year with plenty of time for lying on the beaches.

I want to think its a scam, but why would he do this?

Mainstream Physics disagrees with him. So he is either a scammer or smarter than everyone else. Both are possible.
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Yes, well, I'm entirely with Read-Only on this.

Unlike you, I have considerable faith in atomic physics and very little in some medical doctor who has persuaded a few people to part with money to follow his notion. I don't find the support of such people remotely persuasive, bearing in mind the idiotic schemes that investors so frequently pile money into. Don't forget, these people are just investors, many of whom take a risk-based approach to things and like to back a few oddball ventures as part of their investment mix, without understanding them much, just on the off-chance. The world is full of charlatans and self-deluded people, I'm afraid, some of whom are very good at convincing others who don't have the necessary knowledge to see the flaws. Whereas we scientists DO have that knowledge and that is why we are deeply, deeply sceptical.

As you know, the same, though perhaps to a lesser degree in view of the variety of people/phenomena involved/reported, goes for LENR in general as far as I'm concerned, but that has all been dealt with ad nauseam on the other thread.
 
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