NASA Never Went to the Moon (2025 edition)

[Wenbin Zhao]

I see that you are trying to insult me. Have it your way, then.

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Moderator note: Wenbin Zhao has been warned for insulting another member.

As so many eyes are watching here, I’m pretty sure most of them know whether or not I was telling the truth about that already noticeable stupid guy.

You are the God here, so I called you God James R, you can do anything you want unwarrantedly here.

I don’t fear you anymore, but you fear me telling the truth, you can ban me anytime, I don’t care. Just like Giordano Bruno addressed his judges before he was burned alive, saying: “Perhaps your fear in passing judgment on me is greater than mine in receiving it.”

Just wait and see, time will tell all of you that Wenbin Zhao is right.

 

[DaveC426913]

Just wait and see, time will tell all of you that Wenbin Zhao is right.

Please see title of thread. This thread is about you producing evidence that we didn't land on the Moon.

Artemis' fate has nothing to do with that.

We have been extremely patient with you.

Your reponse, whenever asked to produce evidence of your assertions, is to start calling people stupid. That is childish. Grow up. Defend your assertions or shut up.

 

[billvon]

Me: Will you stop posting about all your bizarro theories until then?

You forget what I said, I said clearly that, if I said something wrong, I would admit it and apologize.

So I take it that's a "no."

If the Artemis program will fail again by the end of May 2026 or will be postponed once more, will you all admit you are all stupid guys, and that already noticeable stupid guy admit he closed my threads wrong and apologize to me?

Why do you think that the failure of a mission means an earlier mission did not happen? I have no idea if the Artemis mission will succeed or fail. From the looks of Musk's lack of progress with the Starship I'd put my money on "not ready by then."

Yesterday a twin engine plane crashed off the coast of San Diego; six people died. Do you figure that means airplanes are fake, and no one has ever flown anywhere?

 

[billvon]

I don’t fear you anymore, but you fear me telling the truth, you can ban me anytime, I don’t care. Just like Giordano Bruno addressed his judges before he was burned alive, saying: “Perhaps your fear in passing judgment on me is greater than mine in receiving it.”

The Einstein Gambit! That's #1 on my list of how to identify woo.

"1) The Einstein gambit. This gambit is perhaps the most popular attempt that cranks use to justify their woo. "Sure, they're laughing at me, but they laughed at Einstein too, you know!" By equating his situation to that of Einstein, the crank hopes to make it seem that his intelligence is akin to Einstein's - thus granting more validity to his woo." (Or in this case Bruno.)

 

[Wenbin Zhao]

Wenbin:

Are you afraid to answer the questions I asked you in post #10? Why do you keep trying to avoid answering them?

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.
If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions?

 

[Pinball1970]

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.
If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions?

Before you start asking questions, can you address my post #26. All of the documented eyewitness accounts, images and film footage of testing, building, manoeuvring, launch and landing?

 

[Wenbin Zhao]

Wenbin:

Are you afraid to answer the questions I asked you in post #10? Why do you keep trying to avoid answering them?

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.
If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions?

If you did everything fairly, you needn’t be afraid to answer my questions publicly.
Right?

 

[Pinball1970]

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.
If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions?

If you did everything fairly, you needn’t be afraid to answer my questions publicly.
Right?

So answer them!

 

[Wenbin Zhao]

So answer them!

Can you answer whether or not he is afraid to answer my questions?
Yes, or no?

 

[Wenbin Zhao]

Before you start asking questions, can you address my post #26. All of the documented eyewitness accounts, images and film footage of testing, building, manoeuvring, launch and landing?

Can you answer whether or not the moderator is afraid to answer my questions publicly?

Yes, or no?

 

[Wenbin Zhao]

Wenbin:

Are you afraid to answer the questions I asked you in post #10? Why do you keep trying to avoid answering them?

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.
If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions publicly?

If you did everything fairly, you needn’t be afraid to answer my questions publicly.
Right?

You needn’t try to avoid answering such a simple question.
Right?

 

[Wenbin Zhao]

Wenbin:

Are you afraid to answer the questions I asked you in post #10? Why do you keep trying to avoid answering them?

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.
If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions publicly?

If you did everything fairly, you needn’t be afraid to answer my questions publicly.
Right?

I know you are in Australia, it’s evening right now in your country, you can answer questions at this time, You needn’t try to avoid answering such a simple question.
Right?

 

[James R]

As so many eyes are watching here, I’m pretty sure most of them know whether or not I was telling the truth about that already noticeable stupid guy.

Silly of you to repeat the same insult that just resulted in you being issued an official warning by a moderator.

Here's another one for the slow learner, then.

Moderator note: Wenbin Zhao has been warned for insulting another member of the forum (again).

Due to accumulated warning points, Wenbin will be taking a short break from sciforums.

 

[James R]

Wenbin Zhao:

You are the God here, so I called you God James R, you can do anything you want unwarrantedly here.

I can also do stuff warrantedly, which is a far more common occurrence.

I don’t fear you anymore..

Good for you, Wenbin! There's nothing to fear but fear itself.

... but you fear me telling the truth

You hardly ever say anything of substance. You make lots of claims you can't support with evidence or cogent arguments.

What is alleged without evidence can safely be dismissed without evidence.

What's to fear?

... you can ban me anytime, I don’t care.

Let me know if you'd like to be banned again. I can certainly arrange that for you if you want to leave this place but, for some reason, keep feeling yourself drawn back. I can even make it permanent, if you like.

Just wait and see, time will tell all of you that Wenbin Zhao is right.

Every prophet of doom ever has said the same thing. The world hasn't ended yet.

I’m not afraid to answer questions at all.

You still haven't answered the very simple ones I asked you back in post #10 of this thread.

If you're not afraid, is it that you're incapable of answering questions? Or are you just a troll who ignores questions that he finds inconvenient? Or what?

If you are also not afraid to answer questions, can I ask you some questions?

Sure. Fire away.

If you did everything fairly, you needn’t be afraid to answer my questions publicly.
Right?

I have answered all the questions you have put to me so far, publically.

What do you have questions about?

I know you are in Australia, it’s evening right now in your country, you can answer questions at this time.

I'm not viewing this forum 24 hours a day, Wenbin. Not even every night. Not even every week.

Learn to be patient.

You needn’t try to avoid answering such a simple question.

What question? Ask your simple question. Stop beating around the bush.

 

[foghorn]

NASA‘s men did not land on the moon at all

If NASA’s men want to come back from the moon, the spacecraft will also need a launching pad on the moon and sufficient fuel.
When the spacecraft landed on the moon, it lost its speed, if it wanted to come back to earth, it would have to build up speed again, that’s not easy.

Do they let you see old Apollo moon mission film in China?
My animated gif below.
This is the Apollo Lunar Module on the moon, then the top part containing the crew, takes off.

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55 years later, China’s Chang'e-6 robotic mission returns with moon samples.

China's lunar probe has returned to Earth with the first ever samples from the Moon's unexplored far side.

The Chang'e-6 landed in the Inner Mongolia desert on Tuesday, after a nearly two-month long mission which was fraught with risks.

Chang'e-6: China's space probe returns with rare Moon rocks

The Chang'e-6 has landed after collecting the first ever samples from the far side of the Moon.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Janus58]

While the moon’s gravity is 1/6 that of the earth, it’s also difficult for a spacecraft to escape the moon after landing on it. I think it also needs a launching pad (even it may be smaller than a launching pad on the earth), those astronauts who landed on the moon have to set up the launching pad by their own manpower, the spacecraft must have carried the smaller launching pad when it was launched from the earth.

Plus, the fuel, the spacecraft must have also carried enough fuel so that it could be launched from the moon and have enough power to gain speed in order to escape the moon.

To fully escape the Moon, you need to attain escape velocity, which for the Moon is ~2.37 km/sec, compared to the 11.18 km/sec needed from Earth. To determine how much fuel is required, you use the Rocket equation Dv= Ve*ln(MR) where Dv is the velocity you need to acquire, Ve is the exhaust velocity of your rocket and MR is the Mass ratio ( mass of rocket +mass of fuel)/mass of rocket. This equation can be rearranged to get the Mass ratio required to attain a given Dv: MR = e^(Dv/Ve) If we use the Ve of the ascent module of 3.05 km/sec, It results in a Mass ratio of 2.17, or bit more than a 1 to 1 ratio of fuel to dry rocket, for escape From the Moon compared to a mass ratio of 37.8 for escape from the Earth (meaning the fuel would need to mass ~37 times that of the rocket alone).
But, the ascent module did not need to achieve escape velocity, it only had to attain low Moon orbit in order to meet up with the Command/service module orbiting at 100 km above the surface. This would require 1.703 km/sec to attain that altitude and another 0.023 km/sec to match speed with the Command/service module for a total of 1.726 km/sec. This in turn, gives a mass ratio of 1.76, with the fuel of the craft having ~76% of the mass of the ascent module alone. The mass of the Lunar ascent module(Including fuel for the manuevering rockets) was 2437 kg, which would have required 1852 kg of fuel to do the job. The module carried 2353 kg of fuel, which included enough to account for the extra mass of the Astronauts, etc. with some leeway. So yes, the ascent module was more than sufficient to do the job required.

 

[Sarkus]

^ I showed similar back in #16, but he didn't seem to care then, so I would expect this to go over his head as well.

 

[DaveC426913]

^ I showed similar back in #16, but he didn't seem to care then, so I would expect this to go over his head as well.

Visualized in graph form.

 

[Killjoy]

He has no brain, he does things under my instructions

I'm going to print this out and carry it around with me because every time I look at it begin laughing like quite the lunatic...

 

[Pinball1970]

Unfortunately there's little (possibly nothing at all) that could not be explained away by the likes of "oh, they're just lying to cover it up!" or some non-manned mission that never returned, for example. The launch happened, for sure. I mean, I've seen the documentary "Apollo 13" and the footage was great! But getting from Earth to moon? Nah, make-believe. Lunar orbit to surface? It's called a crash! Lunar surface to orbit? Haha - good one! etc.

I will like to see what he says on that. Millions of people saw it take off in real time, not just from Cape Canaveral but from the surrounding states and central America and Cuba. Where did it go? Round the block for a few days before returning safely?