My last thread on UFO's

river

Oh I do have evidence
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Then produce it without further equivocation. Or withdraw your idiotic statements.(IE put up or shut up).

You are a know nothing gadfly and your arguments are a joke. You believe in alien spacecraft and, as with most believers, you are immune to evidence or logic. UFOs have become your religion. Your "investigations" and "research" are nothing but a search for confirmation of your preconceived conclusions. That is not how scientific research is done and it is totally invalid as evidence.

I have laid out the scientific reality, aliens are not among us because they cannot overcome reality any more than we can. The fact that you can produce no valid, repeatable evidence for their existence is no surprise to me, IT DOESN'T EXIST. Advanced science only appears to be magic to those who are completely ignorant of it. Someone who can hear a whisper at one hundred yards seems magical, until you see the earbud of a radio receiver in their ear AND understand the technology behind it's existence.

Project Blue Book was shut down because it was a complete waste of time and money, there are no longer ANY government agencies keeping records of UFO sightings because they are of no interest, because we know that there has never been the slightest evidence of alien spacecraft and it is not the governments concern that some observers have been deluded into thinking there is. Gadflies.

Grumpy:cool:
 
river

" Deplete the solar system " what does this mean exactly
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Each interstellar craft will remove at least one whole moon's worth of easily accessible water from that solar system forever. It will be needed for reaction mass, fuel, life support and impact shielding. There is a finite quantity of easily accessible water. Depletion.

Especially T.T.Brown
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He has nothing to contribute to the investigation of the real possibility of alien spacecraft. His anti-gravity work was a dead end(as he himself realized). And he quit the UFO organization soon after he founded it, for the same reason, it was a useless dead end, taken over by the nutjob believers. You just cannot rationally investigate something for which you have zero evidence. You are grasping at straws here.

Either produce valid evidence or stop making such stupid claims.

Grumpy:cool:
 
You could always synthesize water... I mean, it's a pretty simple combination. H2O after all

Also, grumpy, stop calling people stupid, idiot, nutjob, or other such derogatory names. It's time we cleaned up the hostility around here.
 
river said:
Yet the military , while he was trying to get funding by the military in CA. So giving a demonstration of his thinking , had back at his home , stole his ideas
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He WAS the military. He worked for the Navy. Hard to steal your own ideas.

Then the military gave them back , but took copies. He never got any funding by the military
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You mean, other than the paycheck they paid him to do his job (research.)
 
Kittamaru said:
You could always synthesize water... I mean, it's a pretty simple combination. H2O after all

Also, grumpy, stop calling people stupid, idiot, nutjob, or other such derogatory names. It's time we cleaned up the hostility around here.
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Just a point in passing, Kit: He didn't call *anyone* stupid - he called the CLAIM stupid. Big difference. ;)
 
Upon re-reading, fair enough point Read-Only. Grumpy, you have my apologies, though I would ask if we could all stop being so confrontational and tone it back a bit. It feels... angry? in here.
 
Kittamaru said:
You could always synthesize water... I mean, it's a pretty simple combination. H2O after all.
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Oy:
1. You should be able to guess the first question: where are you going to get the H and the O?
2. Why would you use perfectly good fuel to "synthesize" ash?
 
Russ_Watters said:
Oy:
1. You should be able to guess the first question: where are you going to get the H and the O?
2. Why would you use perfectly good fuel to "synthesize" ash?
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I'm not necessarily saying synthesize it en-route... but there's tons of hydrogen all over the place in various forms. Oxygen is a bit harder, but doable. My point is simply that you don't HAVE to obliterate entire moons for the collection of water; asteroids, for example. They have determined the asteroid Vesta has plentiful amounts of Hydrogen in various forms.
 
Kittamaru

Grumpy, you have my apologies, though I would ask if we could all stop being so confrontational and tone it back a bit. It feels... angry? in here.
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You mean someone here is grumpy? Hmm, wonder how we could identify such a person? A little truth in labeling, perhaps?

I try to address the argument, not the person, though I am not perfect. I would dearly love to meet a member of an alien species who could hold an intelligent conversation. But even if we find such a civilization we will only hold a long delayed, long distance, intargenerational conversation, delayed by the huge distances between us where the grandchild receives the answer to a person's question. And the only commodity we could possibly exchange is information, as anything physical we tried to trade would not be worth the shipping and handling charges. And interstellar war would be like two islands on opposite sides of the Earth, and whose inhabitants have only small canoes, going to war. Kind of pointless. I don't post the facts to discourage dreaming of other civilizations, but to redirect those dreams from the fantasy of Star Trek to the reality of what IS possible. There's a whole solar system waiting for our civilization to hatch into, once we claw our way out of our nest(IE get to orbit). At least a cubic light year full of living space and resources. Centuries of things to do. And no need to build defenses against invasion from outside that space, every civilization is both contained/isolated(though not perfectly)and protected(again, no perfect protection)by the physics of physical travel through spacetime, the Prime Directive is enforced by the Universe, not by Starfleet. We CANNOT interfere with each other, no matter how much we learn(of course we could attack each other with rhetoric, but arguments seem to lose their sauce if delayed by a few hundred years, everybody always gets the last word, I guess). It doesn't even make sense to send robot probes to other than the very nearest stars, the civilization that sent the probe might not even exist when the signal arrives with information about the destination. If we learn how to communicate using entanglement we could cut the delay by one half, the particle still cannot get there faster than light.

If we had to leave the vicinity of our sun it will be because if we stay, we die. We will have to take resources, people and genetic materials on our Noah's Ark and that means moving whole worlds(of mostly ice). Hopefully we will have found a suitable destination, but a truly spacefaring civilization will not need anything but a stable star with resources around it, they'll adjust as necessary. Actually the younger and smaller the star, the better. They're meek and mild and stupendously long lived, plus when they do go out, they do so with little violence. The ember can then provide heat for another couple billion years, we'll build a Dyson Sphere around it and move to the next star.

Grumpy:cool:
 
Grumpy said:
river



Then produce it without further equivocation. Or withdraw your idiotic statements.(IE put up or shut up).

You are a know nothing gadfly and your arguments are a joke. You believe in alien spacecraft and, as with most believers, you are immune to evidence or logic. UFOs have become your religion. Your "investigations" and "research" are nothing but a search for confirmation of your preconceived conclusions. That is not how scientific research is done and it is totally invalid as evidence.

I have laid out the scientific reality, aliens are not among us because they cannot overcome reality any more than we can. The fact that you can produce no valid, repeatable evidence for their existence is no surprise to me, IT DOESN'T EXIST. Advanced science only appears to be magic to those who are completely ignorant of it. Someone who can hear a whisper at one hundred yards seems magical, until you see the earbud of a radio receiver in their ear AND understand the technology behind it's existence.

Project Blue Book was shut down because it was a complete waste of time and money, there are no longer ANY government agencies keeping records of UFO sightings because they are of no interest, because we know that there has never been the slightest evidence of alien spacecraft and it is not the governments concern that some observers have been deluded into thinking there is. Gadflies.

Grumpy:cool:
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http://richarddolanpress.com/ufos-a...-up-exposed-volume-2-1973-1991-richard-dolan/
 
Grumpy said:
Kittamaru



You mean someone here is grumpy? Hmm, wonder how we could identify such a person? A little truth in labeling, perhaps?

I try to address the argument, not the person, though I am not perfect. I would dearly love to meet a member of an alien species who could hold an intelligent conversation. But even if we find such a civilization we will only hold a long delayed, long distance, intargenerational conversation, delayed by the huge distances between us where the grandchild receives the answer to a person's question. And the only commodity we could possibly exchange is information, as anything physical we tried to trade would not be worth the shipping and handling charges. And interstellar war would be like two islands on opposite sides of the Earth, and whose inhabitants have only small canoes, going to war. Kind of pointless. I don't post the facts to discourage dreaming of other civilizations, but to redirect those dreams from the fantasy of Star Trek to the reality of what IS possible. There's a whole solar system waiting for our civilization to hatch into, once we claw our way out of our nest(IE get to orbit). At least a cubic light year full of living space and resources. Centuries of things to do. And no need to build defenses against invasion from outside that space, every civilization is both contained/isolated(though not perfectly)and protected(again, no perfect protection)by the physics of physical travel through spacetime, the Prime Directive is enforced by the Universe, not by Starfleet. We CANNOT interfere with each other, no matter how much we learn(of course we could attack each other with rhetoric, but arguments seem to lose their sauce if delayed by a few hundred years, everybody always gets the last word, I guess). It doesn't even make sense to send robot probes to other than the very nearest stars, the civilization that sent the probe might not even exist when the signal arrives with information about the destination. If we learn how to communicate using entanglement we could cut the delay by one half, the particle still cannot get there faster than light.

If we had to leave the vicinity of our sun it will be because if we stay, we die. We will have to take resources, people and genetic materials on our Noah's Ark and that means moving whole worlds(of mostly ice). Hopefully we will have found a suitable destination, but a truly spacefaring civilization will not need anything but a stable star with resources around it, they'll adjust as necessary. Actually the younger and smaller the star, the better. They're meek and mild and stupendously long lived, plus when they do go out, they do so with little violence. The ember can then provide heat for another couple billion years, we'll build a Dyson Sphere around it and move to the next star.

Grumpy:cool:
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So you truly, honestly believe there is no possible way for there to ever be faster than light communication or travel? I ask because, to me, that is an incredibly sad conclusion to arrive at - to think that we would be so limited in our ability to explore and communicate with the universe at large, not by our technology but by the very laws of nature... it is almost tangibly painful to think of that as truth. I know, it is an emotional response, not a logical one...
 
river

This is the Biefeld-Brown effect

http://montalk.net/science/84/the-biefeld-brown-effect
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No, it's not, that site is pure woo.

The Biefeld-Brown effect is a electrohydrodynamic effect between two electrodes charged to a high voltage and separated by the distance required to prevent arcing between two sharp points. It causes a coronal discharge that ionizes air molecules which create a force when they flow to the other electrode. Flow goes from the small/sharp electrode to the large/smooth one which are of opposite polarity(it works with either polarity but they must be opposite in charge). Small, lightweight devices called EHD lifters are interesting toys, but the real research is a dead end because it's horribly underpowered for any practical purpose. It has nothing to do with gravity, only flowing ions.

Grumpy:cool:
 
Grumpy said:
river



No, it's not, that site is pure woo.

The Biefeld-Brown effect is a electrohydrodynamic effect between two electrodes charged to a high voltage and separated by the distance required to prevent arcing between two sharp points. It causes a coronal discharge that ionizes air molecules which create a force when they flow to the other electrode. Flow goes from the small/sharp electrode to the large/smooth one which are of opposite polarity(it works with either polarity but they must be opposite in charge). Small, lightweight devices called EHD lifters are interesting toys, but the real research is a dead end because it's horribly underpowered for any practical purpose. It has nothing to do with gravity, only flowing ions.

Grumpy:cool:
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Once you say ,woo-woo .........then what your saying is that it is beyond your ability to understand

Well prove what you are saying

For now I'll go with what is presented on the site #351 , until you prove otherwise

Which is beyond your understanding
 
river

Once you say ,woo-woo .........then what your saying is that it is beyond your ability to understand

Well prove what you are saying

For now I'll go with what is presented on the site #351 , until you prove otherwise

Which is beyond your understanding
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No, what I'm saying is that what you are posting is ignorant crap from sites full of...woo. And that what you believe has no congruence with what actually is true. And that the only one who can improve the smell of the crap you post is you.

Grumpy:cool:
 
Anti-gravity research 60yrs later and we back to thirties , 80yrs later , would be well beyond when T.T.Brown first came accross his discovery

My point was though , that many , many of these ships make no sound

And anti-gravity would be a way of achieving this
 
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