Muslim scholar issues fatwa against terrorism

[S.A.M.]

And? I mean what difference does that make? Are you suggesting that because they are all circumcised that its normal and therefore not painful or horrific? There are many women who were forced to wear the Burkha but that doesn't mean they like it.

And it doesn't mean they don't prefer it either. Most men in the US are also circumcised. Normal is whatever people think it is

If someone tore off your dress in a bar you would still be humiliated even though you know that there is nothing wrong with nudity.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

And it doesn't mean they don't prefer it either. Most men in the US are also circumcised. Normal is whatever people think it is

Aha! They prefer to be forced down and have their clit cutt off by a blunt blade and they must really enjoy the sex that delivers no orgasms. I think that Ayaan escaped and however she escaped is okay since now she has found a new 'normal'.

 

[S.A.M.]

Aha! They prefer to be forced down and have their clit cutt off by a blunt blade and they must really enjoy the sex that delivers no orgasms.

They are still having children. Unlike the Europeans who are screwing everything that moves and some things that don't.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Having children isn't the issue is it? Oh really Europeans screw everything that moves? Wow the vehicles must really feel violated

But hey I guess those somalian women never get screwed for pleasure only for children and considering their lack of physical sensitivity they must close their eyes and think of Allah

Don't say much for muslim men though:shrug:

I guess it is cultural because given the choice of having sex when and if I want against having my clit cut off I would choose to keep the clit and my freedom of choice.

 

[S.A.M.]

Since it has nothing to do with Islam and in fact is probably 5000 years old in the region, it has a lot to say about the perpetuation of custom. Meanwhile, if the Somalians all replace the Dutch, then it will become irrelevant.

I'm all for age of consent though. Let people grow up and decide how they want to be mutilated. There are plenty of self destructive rites of passage to pick from.

 

[iceaura]

Then why don't you also police other people? I'm honoured, sure, but doesn't everyone deserve the same?

I don't think so. It's a question of whether discussion is possible.

Couldn't care less. Since she is unlikely to influence any Somalians, her opiniosns are worthless. Since she is in bed with the AEI that drives US policy and sustains instability in Somalia, her opinions are worthless.

Well, that saves you a lot of time no doubt. There is an entire little faction around here that discredtis opinions based on associations of source - not a club I would want to join, but to each their own.

And it doesn't mean they don't prefer it either. Most men in the US are also circumcised.

If you used honest vocabulary in the first place - the mutilation is not a "circumcision" , nor does it resemble a circumcision - you would not be led by your rhetoric into such foul absuridties.

 

[GeoffP]

Can't stand her

Why?

She's a liar and a phony.

Sam means: she's an apostate with nothing good to say about Sam's religion. So afraid of critics.

She lied about her family and her husband, she lied about her sisters abortions and affairs, all to get ahead in life.

Proof, please.

Anyone who steps over their father and mother to get ahead in life is not worth my time. She's also in bed with the American Enterprise Institute so I am never going to agree with her politics, even if I overlook her complete lack of ethics.

Of course, of course: it's impossible that she could actually have been subject to real mistreatment by her family. Everyone knows that never happens in Islamic families! - and anyone who says different has no ethics. Is lying. Because...because Sam says so, that's why.

It's funny. When anyone else posts sheer opinion, they get shouted down. But character assassination is fine when some do it.

 

[GeoffP]

I don't think so. It's a question of whether discussion is possible.

Then I am indeed honoured that you think me worthy of further discussion.

:worship:

 

[nirakar]

Interseting that Nancy Drew was an influence on Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

Apparently if the West wants to spread Western liberalism the west should be translating Nancy Drew books into every language and giving them away for free.

But it is not the idealism of Western liberals that get American soldiers stationed all around the world but rather it is the thinking of the American Enterprise Institute and similar organizations that gets American soldiers stationed around the world and involved in questionable wars.

It is one thing for Ayaan Hirsi Ali to object to conservative tribalist and Islamic fundamentalist traditions but hooking up with the American Enterprise Institute and letting them use her seems overly desperate. I guess she thought "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" which often turns out to be a mistake though it is a mistake many people make and it is not always a mistake.

 

[GeoffP]

Agreed, in a way: AEI was possibly a natural run for her, since no one on the left these days has the moral interest to challenge fundamentalism. Save Charles Johnson, perhaps; but he appears to have gone batshit crazy.