Muslim scholar issues fatwa against terrorism

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  1. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    I'm just giving you examples as islamic terrorism happens everywhere, including Thailand, Philippines, China etc. I would be here all day if I had to highlight everything. You asked what examples there were before 9/11 and I gave them. I'm not speaking of anything save actions by radical muslims.

    Europe

    Major lethal attacks on civilians in Europe credited to Islamic terrorism include the 11 March 2004 bombings of commuter trains in Madrid, where 191 people were killed and 2,050 wounded, and the 7 July 2005 London bombings, also of public transport, which killed 52 commuters and injured 700.

    You had Madrid in 2004

    England london bombings in 2005

    Oh the reasons are various but none of them make any sense since they never bring out the desired outcome. It only makes people fear Islam and muslims. Has it worked on the Israeli's? Not one bit if anything its made them more severe.
     
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  3. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    And they are, each and every one of them reactive. Which was my point. What is the desired outcome for those who kill themselves? These are silly questions - they have already reached a point of no return - why would they care, anymore, what people will think?
     
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  5. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    The Taliban were never elected! As a matter of fact someone who was in the country for five years before the Taliban entered Kabul and during the first few months they were there never spoke about an 'election'. They took the country:

    "The victory of the mujahedeen only led to a new round of fighting as they split along ethnic, clan and religious lines. In the civil war that followed, the mostly Pashtun Taliban emerged as a potent force. Made up largely of Afghan refugees educated at Islamic schools (madrassas) in Pakistan, they captured the southern city of Kandahar in 1994 and seized Kabul in 1996. The Taliban disbanded the militias and brought improved security to the country.

    The initial welcome for the Taliban soon dissipated when it used repressive measures to impose a strict Islamic code. It committed atrocities against women and girls, as well as against minority populations, particularly the Shi’a Hazaras. The Taliban also allowed Osama bin Laden, a Saudi dissident who had fought with the mujahedeen, to set up bases for his al‑Qaeda group. In 1998, after al-Qaeda’s bombing of the US embassies in Dar es Salaam and Nairobi, the United States launched a cruise missile attack on one of its bases in Afghanistan. After the 11 September 2001 terrorist attacks on the United States, the United States and the anti‑Taliban Northern Alliance (NA) launched a military campaign against the Taliban. The Taliban quickly disintegrated, and in November the NA assumed control."

    http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Content/LOP/ResearchPublications/prb0716-e.htm

    There was no such thing as a Taliban until the Afghanistan’s civil war in the wake of Soviet troops’ withdrawal in 1989, after a decade-long occupation. But by the time their last troops withdrew in February 1989, they’d left a nation in social and economic shards, 1.5 million dead, millions of refugees and orphans in Iran and Pakistan, and gaping political vacuum that warlords attempted to fill. Afghan mujahideen warlords replaced their war with the Soviets with a civil war.

    http://middleeast.about.com/od/afghanistan/ss/me080914a_2.htm


    The Taliban are one of the mujahideen ("holy warriors" or "freedom fighters") groups that formed during the war against the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan (1979-89). After the withdrawal of Soviet forces, the Soviet-backed government lost ground to the mujahideen. In 1992, Kabul was captured and an alliance of mujahideen set up a new government with Burhanuddin Rabbani as interim president. However, the various factions were unable to cooperate and fell to fighting each other. Afghanistan was reduced to a collection of territories held by competing warlords.

    Groups of taliban ("religious students") were loosely organized on a regional basis during the occupation and civil war. Although they represented a potentially huge force, they didn't emerge as a united entity until the taliban of Kandaharmade their move in 1994. In late 1994, a group of well-trained taliban were chosen by Pakistan to protect a convoy trying to open a trade route from Pakistan to Central Asia. They proved an able force, fighting off rival mujahideen and warlords. The taliban then went on to take the city of Kandahar, beginning a surprising advance that ended with their capture of Kabul in September 1996.

    http://www.infoplease.com/spot/taliban.html

    Didn't want you to walk away clueless.

    Whatever made you think they were democratic enough to set up elections?
     
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  7. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Ah yes, you are correct, they took power from the differing fighting factions.

    I didn't - I recalled they were just students who enjoyed enormous popular support
     
  8. StrawDog disseminated primatemaia Valued Senior Member

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    Where did I imply any such thing? :m:
     
  9. Michael 歌舞伎 Valued Senior Member

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    When I meet an American soldier who volunteered to fight in the army, I think she is a an American Patriot who thinks she's defending America either by killing terrorists (who are going to attack America) or defending the women and children of Iraq by bringing them "freedom" through democracy and equal rights. As far as I understand, she's not breaking the law by joining the army. So, she's not a criminal by default. I'd say she's a pawn by default - but a criminal? No.
     
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    This point, while actually salient (!), isn't related to the above topic that I was mentioning. Again, and just to clarify before we switch subjects again: it is the height of tomfoolery to say that Afghanis and Pakistanis are too ignorant to achieve the required training to fly an airplane. Naturally, I don't believe they were involved, but a refrain from the rhetoric would be welcome.
     
  11. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    It also depends on the legality of the invasion, which is in dispute.

    However, Sam likes to make sweeping generalizations about the American soldiers in Iraq - for her, all American troops are really jackbooted Nazis; the slayers of women and children, etc and so forth.

    Nary a word of condemnation about the foreign terrorists from Syria, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the like that wander about, deliberately and quite remorselessly killing civilians in Iraq. They, for Sam, are heroes, and their targets uniformly collaborators.
     
  12. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Where is this stuff coming from, and what is it doing in these threads?
     
  13. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly.

    For Lucysnow: this is the average Americans contribution to US hegemony and foreign policy. You may not be surprised to learn that apart from "supporting" the "troops" as he does, Michael was also gung ho for the war in Afghanistan. While he may personally not want to endanger his life, he is quite willing to help fund [through his taxes] and support killers who occupy other nations and attack the people living there. As long as Americans think like this, they will continue to kill people around the world with impunity.

    He's a toe
     
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  14. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    It is coming from long observation of Sam, and the depths to which she descends, usually blithely.

    Why is "this stuff" only up for criticism when I post "this stuff"? What stayed your keyboard before? Is it the same malady that afflicts Tiassa? What, then, may the remedy be?
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    That is not realistic, or explanatory here.

    It seems out of character. The posters who live in a permanent worldview of spla triggers do not puzzle.
     
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Really. And this post:

    http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2493279&postcount=130

    is entirely in keeping with the intended spirit of the thread, then, is it?

    In their language, perhaps, then.
     
  17. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    The "intended spirit of the thread" is not at issue.

    This crap is at issue:
    Because this
    just doesn't seem like some kind of objectionable, or even thread-irrelevant, "depth".
     
  18. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

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    Then why don't you also police other people? I'm honoured, sure, but doesn't everyone deserve the same?
     
  19. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    LOL. What a trip!

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    Sam just because you see soldiers as nothing more than killers doesn't make it true. But fair enough you are entitled to your opinion. You forget that its not just Americans who are there, you also forget that there is a government that would love for the US to stay longer than the three years Obama plans to remove those troops. The purpose of the units now in Afghanistan is training the local police force to maintain security, are people getting killed, yes they are but they were dying under the Taliban too and you don't seem too bothered about that.
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The Taliban would eventually have got over their past in the refugee camps. But the birth defects will keep on coming.
     
  21. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    Aha! Good you showed up. I sent this to scifes as I wanted to know his opinion but I would also like to know what you have to say about this woman. Her name is Ayaan Hirsi Ali and she's a politician in Holland:


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6Wrhivp7eQ&feature=related

    And another with more background information about her.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOy7Rj71m4k&feature=related



    Its not off topic so I will leave it here.
     
  22. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Can't stand her
     
  23. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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