I'm sorry, I don't think I'm the one being daft about this.
Look at the bigotted and racist vitriol coming out over this.. And you call me daft for pointing out that the reaction to this is based on racism and bigotry? How many mosques have been built in NYC since 9/11?
And it isn't "in Ground Zero" but a few blocks away.
You can call me daft all you want Lucy. It still doesn't take away the very simple fact that the the reaction to this is racist and bigotted.
Again, do you think the feelings that were prevalent in Ireland between the Catholics and the Protestants is something that should be encouraged in the US, against Islam? Because that's exactly what is happening and your use of that example is a perfect representation of that. The anger over this mosque is based on hatred and bigotry. That you don't see that is really quite astounding.
Do I think they should be "miffed"? No. You'll excuse me for not supporting hateful racist and bigotted political agendas that breed fear into communities.
No Bells Ground Zero is the entire area affected by the tower collapse not just the tower sites themselves. I'm sure you don't know that for a long time after the fact 'Broadway-Nassau', the name of the subway station near the WTC, was referred to as 'ground zero' by the train conductor for quite a while after the event. Its a few blocks away. Its not just the twin towers that amount to what we call 'ground zero'. The mosque is only two blocks away from the WTC site.
LOL! How many mosques have been built in the entire NYC area since 9/11? Probably the same as the amount of Churches and Synagogues. Don't be ridiculous! Mosques and churches of course are built in communities where there is a need for them. The problem with this project is not that it is a mosque, its the location.
You miss my point, its not about the sentiments between catholics and protestants Bells. Its whether you think it would have been appropriate to build a museum next to the site of what is known as the Bloody Sunday massacre dedicated to history of her majesty and the british monarchy!!! How about a protestant church built next to the memorial? The obvious answer is no Bells because its INSENSITIVE. Only the dull minded wouldn't understand that!!! It wouldn't be that the Irish catholics of Derry have a problem with churches or museums, its that it shouldn't be positioned in a location where its symbolism would be hurtful.
Now the following is to enlighten you about NYC and its mosques. There are enough that someone even decided to write a book about them:
The corner of 96th Street and 3rd Avenue on the Upper East side of Manhattan hosts an architectural and religious icon that has grown from a beacon for Muslim New Yorkers to a symbol of the proud, peaceful and friendly nature of Islam in a city still somewhat wary women in a scarves or mean wearing beards. The Islamic Cultural Center, with it’s smooth dome, delicate minarets and sleek, modern design marries old with new, a fitting emblem of what New York City has become.
But the Center, which often figures largely in any news or photographic piece, is one of many mosques in the city - some street front types hidden between New York delis and discount clothing stores; others beautiful, inspirational edifices that seem to strongly declare: “Come in and worship Allah here.” The mosques of this diverse city rarely receive any attention for their sheer numbers and variety of architectural designs, which add a unique character to the history of New York City scenery.
Now a new book boldly ventures to grasp the transformation of New York mosques from the mere eight or nine spread out among the five boroughs in the early 1990s to the more than 90 here today. New York Masjid: The Mosques of New York City by Jerrilynn D. Dodds and Edward Grazda is a thorough, intelligent photographical and written study of New York’s mosques from an architectural standpoint.
Between the World Trade Center bombings in 1993 and the horrific events of September 11th, 2001, the mosques of New York City have traveled an eight-year path of redemption and growth to proudly stand among the elite of religious architecture. Dodds, a professor of architecture at the City College of New York, neatly dissects the history and growth of the city’s mosques by addressing how they were built, the importance of arches and domes versus a vision where architecture has no meaning in lieu of tradition and faith.
Dodds’ eloquent yet simple text supplements Grazda’s beautiful black-and-white photographs, which gives the book a taste of elegance sharpened by the fascinating subject matter. This is truly a fabulous coffee table books for Muslims, and others, to own.
An introductory paragraph encapsulates why Dodds embarked on the project:
We entered into this study … with the idea of bearing witness to some of the dozens of communities of New Yorkers who practice Islam, through the architecture which serves them as collectives within the city. This creation of shared space, this building up of neighborhoods seemed to answer the destructive and exploitative image the World Trade Center bombing of 1993 spawned.
There are nearly 800,000 Muslims in New York City, Dodds writes, with numerous mosques spread throughout the boroughs: 28 in Queens, 27 in Brooklyn, nearly 20 in Manhattan and in the Bronx and at least 8 in Staten Island. Most mosques are converted stores and buildings. The first newly built mosque - Masjid Alfalah -led to the construction of the “grand, visible” Islamic Culture Center.
Yet many New Yorkers are unaware of the sheer quantity of mosques because many are in basements of buildings or hidden behind demure street signs. But increasingly, various New York neighborhoods with large Muslim populations are latching onto mosque construction as a way of making Islam more visible and improving the neighborhood.
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/...73&pagename=Zone-English-ArtCulture/ACELayout
Like I said to Michael there are numerous mosques all over the place and New Yorkers don't seem to give a shit about any of them.
The WTC is not the right location for this unless you care nothing for what it represents to New Yorkers. What insensitive dolt would use 9/11 as the date to open a mosque in ground zero and then have the audacity to call it 'the cordoba'? I think you understand the issue and are simply playing games of argument. What's next? Open a US embassy on the site of My Lai in vietnam? How about having a Turkish cultural center in Armenia? How about you place it Gyumri? I'm sure they would be tickled pink!
Yes Bells I call you daft. Dull as well as daft.
I mean you would have to be for you not to understand that the issue is the location and not the building of a mosque. Had it ever occurred to you that insisting on a mosque on that site would breed resentment among many New Yorkers? A resentment that didn't exist before? Like I said 'dull'.
So now that we see that they are building mosques all over NY you can put it in your pipe and smoke it.
