I modified my postwe don't HAVE to have them fight in a bloody arena of death /interfaith center for our amusement - we could simply vote them out ala The USA's got Religion reality TV style
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Why does it matter where it is? The reaction to it is silly. It's a cultural centre. There were Muslims in those buildings as well who were innocent victims. What of them?
Meh.. US reality TV style.. Go all out and go with Japanese style!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqYLXMz9foI&feature=related
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i agree, should all christan churches be knocked down and banned in tassmainia because Bryant was a christan?
Are similar calls being made in Oklahoma about churches because the bomber there went to church?
did the christans do that after wako? oaklahoma? port aruthur?
Read the article you'll find the opinion of those who live in the area and those who lost loved ones in 9/11 stating the reasons behind their resistance to the center. Its mostly has to do with the symbolic nature of having it in that location more than that its a muslim center itself. Like I said if it had been moved two or three blocks over no one would even hear about it.
Read the article you'll find the opinion of those who live in the area and those who lost loved ones in 9/11 stating the reasons behind their resistance to the center. Its mostly has to do with the symbolic nature of having it in that location more than that its a muslim center itself. Like I said if it had been moved two or three blocks over no one would even hear about it.
Many wholeheartedly reject such a stance. Among them is Charles Wolf, an energetic man who has been heavily involved in the discussions over what should be built at Ground Zero in place of the Twin Towers.
He says many of the victims' families - like him - believe the Islamic centre should be built.
"The Muslims are not responsible for 9/11. There have been extremists in all religions," he says.
"Denying them the ability to build a mosque… would be like London denying the Roman Catholic Church the opportunity to build a church during the years of the IRA bombings."
The project's leaders say they have gone out of their way to bring people living nearby on board with the plans.
They own the building and under city law have the right to build what they want there. Nonetheless, they spoke to the local community board and asked for its approval - something they didn't have to do. They got its support.
Sharif El-Gamal, the chairman of Soho Properties, which owns the building says he wants "a place where I could show off my hospitality, my culture, my background".
What he and the others involved envisage is a world-class facility - an environmentally-friendly building constructed with cutting-edge technology. It would be a place to show off what they consider Islam has to offer.
I'd see it as a counter balance.. showing that the terrorists have not won and cannot win. The reaction against this is based on pure bigotry. If it was Christians, for example, who flew those planes, there would not be a single issue.
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And Jesus Wept: On a corner adjacent to the memorial is a sculpture of Jesus weeping erected by St. Joseph's Catholic Church. St. Joseph's, one of the first brick and mortar churches in the city, was almost completely destroyed by the blast. The statue is not part of the memorial itself but is popular with visitors nonetheless.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_National_Memorial
In a recorded interview with Time magazine[80] McVeigh professed his belief in "a god", although he said he had "sort of lost touch with" Catholicism and "I never really picked it up, however I do maintain core beliefs." Throughout his childhood, he and his father were Roman Catholic and regularly attended daily Mass at Good Shepherd Church in Pendleton, New York. The Guardian reported that McVeigh wrote a letter to them claiming to be an agnostic and that he did not believe in a hell.[81][82] McVeigh once said that he believed the universe was guided by natural law, energized by some universal higher power that showed each person right from wrong if they paid attention to what was going on inside them. He had also said, "Science is my religion."[83]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh
"For us, a mosque was always a place to pray, to be together on holidays — not a way to make an ostentatious architectural statement,’’ Jasser said. “Ground zero shouldn’t be about promoting Islam. It’s the place where war was declared on us as Americans.’’ To use that space for Muslim outreach, he argues, is “the worst form of misjudgment.’’
Schwartz notes that the spiritual leader of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, describes himself as a Sufi — a Muslim focused on Islamic mysticism and spiritual wisdom. But “building a 15-story Islamic center at ground zero isn’t something a Sufi would do,’’ according to Schwartz, also a practitioner of Sufism. “Sufism is supposed to be based on sensitivity toward others,’’ yet Cordoba House comes across as “grossly insensitive.’’ He rejects Rauf’s stance that a highly visible Muslim presence at ground zero is the way to make a statement opposing what happened on 9/11. Better, in his view, is the approach of many Muslims “who hate terrorism and who have gone privately to the site and recited prayers for the dead silently and unperceived by others.’’
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/e.../articles/2010/06/06/a_mosque_at_ground_zero/
The other thing about all this is the issue of sensitivity: surely, with so many families of the victims offended for the reasons outlined above, it would be more sensitive to place the mosque elsewhere?
Oh please..Bells also raises a good point about the Muslim victims of the attack: how happy would they be to hear that a mosque had been on their ashes by people with ties to extremists? I think they would be rather appalled; as should we all.
It is not Islamaphobia, he insists - it's just that he and others do not want an Islamic institution nearby.
"I think the first concern for the families is that the religious beliefs of the terrorists who struck is going to have such a prominent place right around the corner from Ground Zero," he says.
"This is not an… anti-Muslim effort. It is understandably… emotional for them to be suddenly told that around the corner from where their loved ones were killed they're going to put a mosque."
Essentially exactly what I wrote earlier. As they say: if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck....
The other thing about all this is the issue of sensitivity: surely, with so many families of the victims offended for the reasons outlined above, it would be more sensitive to place the mosque elsewhere?
So it's better to give in to the bigotry and have the underlying belief that all Muslims are somehow at fault for 9/11 continue to exist in the minds of people?
Read the article. They don't care about the ties to the Saudi's. All they care about is that it's going to be a Mosque. That is what they find offensive.
It's obviously a retard with a brain injury...
And I wasn't aware being a couple of blocks away is now ground zero. I find that interesting.
The hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. As Sam nicely pointed out.. Jesus would approve. Next time I hear a single Christian harp on about turn the other cheek, I'll be sure to laugh more loudly in their face. Apparently it is only preferable in some cases, not all others.
My question is, why did they decide to pick THAT particular spot? Make a statement? Mark their territory like a dog pisses on a fire hydrant? Were they completely oblivious to the significance of their actions, and this is merely a weird coincident?
It's obviously a retard with a brain injury...
My question is, why did they decide to pick THAT particular spot? Make a statement? Mark their territory like a dog pisses on a fire hydrant? Were they completely oblivious to the significance of their actions, and this is merely a weird coincident?
I seriously doubt the latter. I wouldn't put it past Muslims, judging by things they've done/said that this is a statement. They LOVE making statements. Unfortunately, there isn't much you can do about it, it's a matter of property ownership and Freedom of Religion. However, I also wouldn't put it past New Yorkers to give them an incredibly hard time about their decision to put it there.