Muslim cultural center near 9/11 site causes distress

I think I begin to see the problem here - who said anything about terrorism, specifically? Americans have terrorism on the brain; one can be an extremist without planting bombs at Jewish centres, and that's the problem: while CAIR is in fact an unindicted co-conspirator in terrorism (fact), much of the harm they do is in making excuses for extremist conservative thinking and reactionary religious memes: specifically, Islamic ones in this case, although any right-wing reactionary version of any religion would be bad. CAIR's particularly bad, too, because of where their funding and philosophy come from, although it's also worth mentioning in fact that several of their people actually have been arrested for actual, physical terrorism. Anyway, the point is that one doesn't need to be a physical terrorist to be harmful.

Well, I can't speak to Sandy, as I ignore a lot of what she writes, or wrote. It really isn't relevant.

I'm sorry, but this is simply incorrect.

There's the post I linked, and a New York Post article. Rauf has two faces; one in English, one in Arabic.

Then you accept the fact that you cannot explain these findings. Done and done.

Because of the really bad English and the very inexact usage, I actually am unsure what it is you're trying to say here. Can you quote, cite and explain in reasonable detail?

 

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So why haven't they been shut down? And if they are unindicted what is that fact in favour of besides your usual retarded conclusions about any Muslim organisation?

 

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Good question, isn't it?

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They're self-imploding; perhaps this is why they haven't been molested. More likely is that they have their fingers round the testicles of the media. That hold is finally beginning to be loosened. We shall see.

Tsk tsk. Ad homenim. Going to have to report this one; sorry. Fair is fair, and you've been given a lot of chances not to use personal insults, besides the allegation being completely false. You might, for example, have asked what my feelings are on the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, or the Center for Islamic Pluralism, to name two. :shrug:

 

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Eh. I changed my mind. No report.

Here's the thing: you're frustrated and desperate. Basically, you get slammed down on 90-95% of the things you write. I get that it hurts. But that's not my problem. If the best you can swing is insults and garbage, fine.

 

Ooooh: so close. No, I decided to turn the other cheek. You should try it sometime.

 

Turning the other cheek means dumb, does it?

 

Again: turning the other cheek means dumb, does it?



But why am I asking you? You haven't read any of the links about Rauf, because you prefer not to think about that. I guess it's ironic that you're trying to take the moral high road without any treads on your tires. It gets slippery up there.

 

It looks like an "ownership" move. Much like one society would put a flag in conquered territory or a dog would pee on a tree. I *heard* they want to open it on 9/11/2011. All I can say is that New Yorkers are generally bat-shit crazy and that mosque is going to experience that first hand.

 

That the powers who be find them useful.

When they are different Muslims, financed in a different manner, with a different agenda, and recognizing a local population of Muslims who would appreciate a mosque in their neighborhood.

 

I suggest that Iran permits the opening of a McDonalds (serving true American beef, of course, no substitutes) in the heart of Tehran.
Out of interest in and promoting an understanding of American culture, and in maintaining and preserving worldwide peace and understanding, of course.

 

They did have one I believe, in the 1990s. What happened to it?

 

You have yet to even say where they CAN build a mosque, nor have you explained why it is "insulting" for muslims not connected to terrorism to have a presence in southern Manhattan. Your entire position is that it is okay for you to be bigoted, but not okay for people to call you on your bigotry. Well, sorry to shatter your illusion of yourself as fair-minded, sweetie, but you are being bigoted.

They are excluding them HERE and prior to this mosque, no others exist in Manhattan outside of Harlem...so it would seem that one in southern Manhattan would be a convenience for Muslims living and working there. No one on your anti-Muslim side of the debate will sack up and tell them the nearest site it would be acceptable, except to pussy out and say that it would be acceptable "somewhere" else.

So, where can they build? A mile away? Two miles? What is the size of your Islam-exclusion zone? Can Muslims live in that zone, or is it fair for co-op and condo boards to turn them away based on their religion (after all, they may actually practice that religion while there). Assuming (as I hope) you'd allow them to live there, why not let them have a community center? Look at the building...it's a piece of shit and not getting any better. You'd rather it continue to be a broken down craphole, than let them use it for something they'd want to use it for?

Finally, denying people the right to practice their religion on land they own simply because you don't like that religion is unconstitutional. If you disagree, it's because you do not have a adequate grasp of the U.S. Constitution. That is the very reason the mayor (who himself is Jewish) decided the city should not get involved in the mess.

 

I would reach a compromise with the financiers: due to the sensitivity of the site, and the intended goal to promote Islam, they can build a cultural center there, but only on condition that a portion of it is dedicated as a memorial to the victims of 9/11, and that the center place a strong and highly visible emphasis on condemning Islamic radicalism.