Michio on the 5%

[Trapped]

5 % of sightings are taken seriously by scientists Michio explains and they are really hard to ignore or explain away. He says, we are talking about generals, pilots... governors saying they are beyond our understanding of physics.

Some skeptics don't understand this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDO8DoGPUHs

 

[joepistole]

5 % of sightings are taken seriously by scientists Michio explains and they are really hard to ignore or explain away. He says, we are talking about generals, pilots... governors saying they are beyond our understanding of physics.

Some skeptics don't understand this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDO8DoGPUHs

Well that is just it, the believers and the naysayers both rely on facts not in evidence. The both jump to unfounded conclusions and assume facts not in evidence.

 

[Trapped]

Well that is just it, the believers and the naysayers both rely on facts not in evidence. The both jump to unfounded conclusions and assume facts not in evidence.

That's not what I am hearing from Michio, you have managed to twist the meaning of what he is saying.

He is saying, scientists do take the idea seriously things are in their sky, I explained they are just a bit more reserved when questioned whether they are alien or not. No scientists will say it isn't, most will say it is possible. Not to mention project sign which concluded it was likely the ET explanation fitted the bill, before the Military abruptly shut the project down and replaced it with their own, Blue Book. Extra points for knowing why.

 

[joepistole]

That's not what I am hearing from Michio, you have managed to twist the meaning of what he is saying.

He is saying, scientists do take the idea seriously things are in their sky, I explained they are just a bit more reserved when questioned whether they are alien or not. No scientists will say it isn't, most will say it is possible. Not to mention project sign which concluded it was likely the ET explanation fitted the bill, before the Military abruptly shut the project down and replaced it with their own, Blue Book. Extra points for knowing why.

Ah no, I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. You are reading a hell of a lot into a few words. I think I have touched on your insecurity. I said naysayers, are naysayers scientists? Based on what I have seen, I would say the naysayers are mixed bunch. That is why I didn’t use the word scientists. If I meant scientists, I would have used it. Words have meanings friend.

And by the way some scientists have denied aliens and UFO’s as a possibility, case in point; J. Allen Hynek was the government’s leading debunker of UFO’s and who later became a UFO researcher and founder of MUFON.

I repeat my assertion; both UFO naysayers and believers suffer from the same error in logic and reason. They both assume facts not in evidence. The facts are as Michio stated, about 5% of recorded UFO events are inexplicable, they are enigmas and they are worthy of research.

 

[Trapped]

Ah no, I suggest you go back and read what I wrote. You are reading a hell of a lot into a few words. I think I have touched on your insecurity. I said naysayers, are naysayers scientists? Based on what I have seen, I would say the naysayers are mixed bunch. That is why I didn’t use the word scientists. If I meant scientists, I would have used it. Words have meanings friend.

And by the way some scientists have denied aliens and UFO’s as a possibility, case in point; J. Allen Hynek was the government’s leading debunker of UFO’s and who later became a UFO researcher and founder of MUFON.

I repeat my assertion; both UFO naysayers and believers suffer from the same error in logic and reason. They both assume facts not in evidence. The facts are as Michio stated, about 5% of recorded UFO events are inexplicable, they are enigmas and they are worthy of research.

Michio is right, to a degree. There is a lot of guesswork from the skeptic to debunk a sighting. Sometimes, for a skeptic, it is just enough you are looking in the right area for them to call the Venus explanation! That of course, is a guess and not a true debunking. So often the 5% are reserved for the cases which are extraordinary and often requires extraordinary debunking from a skeptic, which often they cannot do successfully without merely guessing or making wild theories up which never fit the bill.

 

[andy1033]

If the pilots were not right in the head they would be flying over cities or allowed to. Especially highly trained pilots whom know all the aircraft types that man kind had in the beginning of this stuff back decades ago.

Today humans probably have wild aircraft but it wasn't the case during ww2, where alot was being spotted.

If those pilots were not trusted they would not be flying.

 

[Trapped]

If the pilots were not right in the head they would be flying over cities or allowed to. Especially highly trained pilots whom know all the aircraft types that man kind had in the beginning of this stuff back decades ago.

Today humans probably have wild aircraft but it wasn't the case during ww2, where alot was being spotted.

If those pilots were not trusted they would not be flying.

Exactly correct.

In fact, as was the 1952 case. I proved the other day we had nothing even close to moving at 7k mph. Even 20 years later, our best moved at a little over 4k mph.

The pilots which where ordered to intercept and shoot down the UFO's, can also be taken as experienced who would have been completely reliable.

 

[joepistole]

Exactly correct.

In fact, as was the 1952 case. I proved the other day we had nothing even close to moving at 7k mph. Even 20 years later, our best moved at a little over 4k mph.

The pilots which where ordered to intercept and shoot down the UFO's, can also be taken as experienced who would have been completely reliable.

Part of the problem is with human perception. We are hardwired to view things in particular ways that makes us vulnerable to misperception and magicians play on that weakness all the time. But even so, that doesn't explain all the UFO events.

 

[Trapped]

Part of the problem is with human perception. We are hardwired to view things in particular ways that makes us vulnerable to misperception and magicians play on that weakness all the time. But even so, that doesn't explain all the UFO events.

I on the other hand think we can make very reliable witnesses when there are more than one account we can compare to. If several people for instance see the same UFO, under the same conditions and by describing which appears to be the same object, I seem confident enough to take those testimonies seriously.

 

[Trapped]

Plus the case I speak about not only had several witnesses in the air, but the objects had been detected by radar. This kind of evidence is rare but it has happened a number of times. This is quality evidence.

 

[joepistole]

Indeed, it is difficult to ignore radar.

 

[Trapped]

Indeed, it is difficult to ignore radar.

I believe the Tehran UFO incident also had ground witnesses radar and was also intercepted.

The officer has orders to shoot the object down, the object somehow shuts down the electronic communications of the air craft and disables it probably using an electromagnetic field.

This case was taken so seriously, it even reached the highest desks of the Pentagon.

 

[Boris2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign

this was superseded by Project Grudge.

In fact, as was the 1952 case. I proved the other day we had nothing even close to moving at 7k mph. Even 20 years later, our best moved at a little over 4k mph.

what aircraft could go >4000mph? the SR71 still holds the speed record and that is 2,193.2 mph.

 

[Trapped]

what aircraft could go >4000mph? the SR71 still holds the speed record and that is 2,193.2 mph.

The X-15 rocket powered plane.

It was suggested by Billvon the other day that it could have been one of our own craft. I explained that it is impossible. Again, because of the above ^.

 

[joepistole]

The X-15 rocket powered plane.

It was suggested by Billvon the other day that it could have been one of our own craft. I explained that it is impossible. Again, because of the above ^.

If memory serves, I recall some instances where sharp high speed turns were recorded on radar. No man made aircraft with existing known existing technology could make those high speed turns. The laws of inertia (i.e. Newton's First Law) still applies to manmade devices.

 

[Trapped]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Sign

this was superseded by Project Grudge.

I just see Grudge and Blue Book serving the same agenda's, Blue Book of course, followed Grudge. Of course, they really did serve the same purpose. One of them was to debunk what their predecessors had determined and then mislead the public into thinking that UFO's are not a matter of national security and that no UFO's that have ever been involved with the air force have ever displayed a technology greater than our own.

Interesting they focused on these two things when both statements are laughable in the face of the evidence.

 

[Trapped]

If memory serves, I recall some instances where sharp high speed turns were recorded on radar. No man made aircraft with existing known existing technology could make those high speed turns. The laws of inertia (i.e. Newton's First Law) still applies to manmade devices.

That's correct. I know of several cases reported, possibly more in which the crafts have made 90 degree turns while travelling still at fast speeds. It's hard to imagine anything living is inside them when these things happen. If they are aliens, it would seem more logical to send unmanned aircraft since we have been hostile ourselves towards them.

 

[paddoboy]

My reasons for not believing that the 5% or so of UFO sightings are not extra terrestrial, is that I fail to see any logic in any ETI coming here, to land in some isolated area, contact some isolated person and use anal probes to attempt to gain info on us.

Any ETI UFO would by definition be at least many hundreds of years ahead of us in technology and Intelligence, maybe thousands.
I would envisage them first studying us from afar, then making themselves know world wide and landing and making direct contact in a public place.

 

[Trapped]

My reasons for not believing that the 5% or so of UFO sightings are not extra terrestrial, is that I fail to see any logic in any ETI coming here, to land in some isolated area, contact some isolated person and use anal probes to attempt to gain info on us.

Any ETI UFO would by definition be at least many hundreds of years ahead of us in technology and Intelligence, maybe thousands.
I would envisage them first studying us from afar, then making themselves know world wide and landing and making direct contact in a public place.

I'm with you on that one, I don't take any abduction cases seriously. I do take official encounters with UFO's seriously, the integrity of the cases are hard to deny.

I'd suggest... stay away from reading the abduction cases, they can obscure an otherwise rational mind.

 

[Trapped]

But I don't share the sentiment that they should just land on the white house lawn. Or land anywhere for that matter.

For starters, what makes you think they could even breath our own air? There is nothing which guarantee's a safe landing when being chased for years by our own air craft.

The Canadian government tried a top secret project, called Project Lure. Keyhoe said one of the reasons they haven't landed is because we have been hostile towards them. Michio says, ''why should they land, do you stop to give trinkets to ants on an ant hill?''