CounslerCoffee
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Matrix Revolutions
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I could care less. All I'm saying is that there is no point in warning people about spoilers because they know damn well that if they haven't seen the movie, reading anything in a thread about the movie will spoil it.
The fact that the thread is the title of the movie means you sould stay away from it if you don't want to know anything about the movie before you watch it. Putting spoiler in every post is redundant when the entire thread is a spoiler itself.
Did you ever notice that they hired a white guy that didn't know any martial arts to play Neo?
Why didn't they hire an actor like Jakie Chan or somebody that really knew how to fight so that when he says in the first one, "I know kung fu," it really shows?
The fact that the thread is the title of the movie means you sould stay away from it if you don't want to know anything about the movie before you watch it. Putting spoiler in every post is redundant when the entire thread is a spoiler itself.
How about saying the little girl Sati that these racists that created the film shoved at us as a minority character?Originally posted by stopwatch
Sigh....maybe this is more politically correct: the programme that resembles a little girl of Indian origin.
Did you ever notice that they hired a white guy that didn't know any martial arts to play Neo?
Why didn't they hire an actor like Jakie Chan or somebody that really knew how to fight so that when he says in the first one, "I know kung fu," it really shows?
Spoilers
This movie made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe some of you people who seem to love it so much can explain it to me.
1. How is Neo able to use his powers in the real world?
2. How was Neo able to be in the matrix without being plugged in?
3. What happened at the end? Why was the master machine (or whatever it was) able to kill Smith? Smith had already taken over plenty of other people who the machine god had access to, why not just use one of them?
These aren't exactly minor points…
This movie made absolutely no sense to me. Maybe some of you people who seem to love it so much can explain it to me.
1. How is Neo able to use his powers in the real world?
2. How was Neo able to be in the matrix without being plugged in?
3. What happened at the end? Why was the master machine (or whatever it was) able to kill Smith? Smith had already taken over plenty of other people who the machine god had access to, why not just use one of them?
These aren't exactly minor points…
CounslerCoffee
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The fact that the thread is the title of the movie means you sould stay away from it if you don't want to know anything about the movie before you watch it. Putting spoiler in every post is redundant when the entire thread is a spoiler itself.
Cool Skill, sometimes people post what we like to call reviews. That way other members of this website can determine if they're going to see it or not. If you don't like the rule, then post somewhere else. Most people put spoiler alerts in anyways as a common curtsey. Read the sticky called "Old New Rule" and you'll find several reasons as to why spoiler alerts are necessary.
Here, I'll put in the reasons anyways:
# Some movies are released in the States first, and in Britain later.
# Some people haven't seen the movie yet.
# People who search google can pull up this page by accident and ruin the movies for themselves.
# Members on this board like to hear about how good/horrible a movie is. They may trod into your thread and read spoilers instead of reviews.
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One thing that I found unconvincing was Oracle's change of appearance. Granted, they had to find someone else to play her since the original actress passed away (I remember reading this somewhere) but why bother acknowledging the change in the storyline if they are going the replace her with someone who looks more or less like the original Oracle?
Now if they had Oracle come back totally different - a man or a child, that would have been much more original and sounded less like a convenient excuse for the change in actress.
One thing that I found unconvincing was Oracle's change of appearance. Granted, they had to find someone else to play her since the original actress passed away (I remember reading this somewhere) but why bother acknowledging the change in the storyline if they are going the replace her with someone who looks more or less like the original Oracle?
Now if they had Oracle come back totally different - a man or a child, that would have been much more original and sounded less like a convenient excuse for the change in actress.
airavata, the more I think about it, the more I think your interpretation makes sense. But why was Oracle's body lying on the ground after Smith's destruction. What role did Oracle play in Smith's destruction?Neo allowed Smith to copy himself onto him and Neo was connected to the machines at that time. My guess is, the machines were then able to figure out how to decode Smith - and thats what happened - Smith was decoded and sent back to the source
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Jackie Chan as Neo? Hmmm, interesting thought. But I doubt audiences can keep a straight face if Jackie start sprouting profound lines like "Every begining has an end". But if Jackie Chan were to play Neo, only one person can play Morpheus - Chris Tucker.Originally posted by cool skill
Why didn't they hire an actor like Jakie Chan or somebody that really knew how to fight so that when he says in the first one, "I know kung fu," it really shows?
I think Solidus was right when he said that Revolutions' nebulous ending was designed to leave the "universe" open for future marketing opportunities. There's a new online game that takes place after Revolutions, which comes out next year, and assorted comics, etc. I'm sure we'll see crappy dimestore novels and other merchandise.
I don't think the movie really requires any explanation, although I would like an explaination at to how anything so goddamn horrible could be released in theaters.
It's all been said I realize, but it had a worthless ending, overblown effects, uninspired story and performances, and stupid, stupid machines. You know, if I were an organic, flowing mass of 50,000+ armored killing machines attacking the city of my enemy I would make my best effort to break stuff, and possibly kill people. The sentinels in Revolutions just flew around in pretty circles and picked off stragglers.
I don't think the movie really requires any explanation, although I would like an explaination at to how anything so goddamn horrible could be released in theaters.
It's all been said I realize, but it had a worthless ending, overblown effects, uninspired story and performances, and stupid, stupid machines. You know, if I were an organic, flowing mass of 50,000+ armored killing machines attacking the city of my enemy I would make my best effort to break stuff, and possibly kill people. The sentinels in Revolutions just flew around in pretty circles and picked off stragglers.
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But Smith had already copied himself into many people who were connected to the machines. Why didn't the machines use one of them?Originally posted by airavata
Neo allowed Smith to copy himself onto him and Neo was connected to the machines at that time. My guess is, the machines were then able to figure out how to decode Smith - and thats what happened - Smith was decoded and sent back to the source.
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As far as neo using his powers in the real world....
It is stated that neo came from the source and so he must return to the source, which is what he decides to do in order to defeat smith. My take on it is that he realizes part of this truth at the end of the 2nd movie, which is why he destroyed the sentinels with the wave of a hand. Thats also why he was laying on the table, not jacked in, but still inside the matrix. In effect, as somone postulated before, he has a wireless connection to the matrix. Thus explaining the fact that he cant see because his eyes are burnt up, but he sees that orange vision crap. He has some type of wireless connection to the matrix, or its a part of him... something to that effect. I mean, he does still have machine componets to him like Trinity and Morpheous does, right? Thats how they jack back into the matrix.
Simply put, NO SEQUEL will or was ever better than the first matrix. You cant make a better movie than the first matrix. Why?
Because after not having any good movies for like 2 years, no original story line, or anything, a movie called The Matrix pops up out of absolutely no where (it was kept under wraps for awhile), bursts onto the scene with an A.) Original Story Line, B.) Awesome special effects, C.) A story line incorporating religion and philosophy.
After that, everyone has formed their opinion and own decision on how the story line should continue. So after the first one, where there a solid base of core fans, you come out with a second one and third, it becomes impossible to please everyone because everyone already has formed their own ideas on how it should go.
SO, AGAIN, the first matrix is obviously and undeniably the best one.
And quickly, I would have been disappointed if everything was explained with such detail, that nothing would be left up to the imagination. Thats what makes a movie or book really fantastic, when you can fill in the little crevices with your own personal views and beliefs. Its also what makes a movie or book so much more appealing to a wider range of people. And generally its done in sequels. why? Well I already told you why, because after the first one, everyone has an opionion on how it should continue.
Think about it.
Later
T
As far as neo using his powers in the real world....
It is stated that neo came from the source and so he must return to the source, which is what he decides to do in order to defeat smith. My take on it is that he realizes part of this truth at the end of the 2nd movie, which is why he destroyed the sentinels with the wave of a hand. Thats also why he was laying on the table, not jacked in, but still inside the matrix. In effect, as somone postulated before, he has a wireless connection to the matrix. Thus explaining the fact that he cant see because his eyes are burnt up, but he sees that orange vision crap. He has some type of wireless connection to the matrix, or its a part of him... something to that effect. I mean, he does still have machine componets to him like Trinity and Morpheous does, right? Thats how they jack back into the matrix.
Simply put, NO SEQUEL will or was ever better than the first matrix. You cant make a better movie than the first matrix. Why?
Because after not having any good movies for like 2 years, no original story line, or anything, a movie called The Matrix pops up out of absolutely no where (it was kept under wraps for awhile), bursts onto the scene with an A.) Original Story Line, B.) Awesome special effects, C.) A story line incorporating religion and philosophy.
After that, everyone has formed their opinion and own decision on how the story line should continue. So after the first one, where there a solid base of core fans, you come out with a second one and third, it becomes impossible to please everyone because everyone already has formed their own ideas on how it should go.
SO, AGAIN, the first matrix is obviously and undeniably the best one.
And quickly, I would have been disappointed if everything was explained with such detail, that nothing would be left up to the imagination. Thats what makes a movie or book really fantastic, when you can fill in the little crevices with your own personal views and beliefs. Its also what makes a movie or book so much more appealing to a wider range of people. And generally its done in sequels. why? Well I already told you why, because after the first one, everyone has an opionion on how it should continue.
Think about it.
Later
T
Re: Spoilers
My guess is that is has to do with the architect speach, and the bit about the system trying to balance itself (oracle?).
Neo was the remainder of an unbalanced equation, and that created disturbances in the matrix.
The matrix was trying to balance itself, so created smith, specifically the version of smith that came into being when neo entered him. (in other words, smith's code was modified by this contact with neo's to become his opposite. Neo jumped into agent smith. Now smith can jump into people.)
neo is the 1 and smith is the -1. They had to destroy each other. It was the only way to balance things. The machines couldn't use anyone else because they weren't the one.
Originally posted by Nasor
But Smith had already copied himself into many people who were connected to the machines. Why didn't the machines use one of them?
My guess is that is has to do with the architect speach, and the bit about the system trying to balance itself (oracle?).
Neo was the remainder of an unbalanced equation, and that created disturbances in the matrix.
The matrix was trying to balance itself, so created smith, specifically the version of smith that came into being when neo entered him. (in other words, smith's code was modified by this contact with neo's to become his opposite. Neo jumped into agent smith. Now smith can jump into people.)
neo is the 1 and smith is the -1. They had to destroy each other. It was the only way to balance things. The machines couldn't use anyone else because they weren't the one.
Hell ya!Originally posted by stopwatch
But if Jackie Chan were to play Neo, only one person can play Morpheus - Chris Tucker.
That would be funny as hell.
The problem still lies with the fact that these people that were picked to play the lead roles in a kung fu movie didn't even know any kung fu. They all had to go through all this training. It was completely retarded of them to do so. They really should have picked real kung fu masters to play these parts so that the movie would be more realistic and exciting. I don't know much about martial arts, but even I could tell that the fighting in the Matrix was much more clumsy than the fighting in other martial arts movies. Even American martial arts movies.
Second, they wouldn't have had to waste so much extra time on all the extra training if they hired real kung fu masters to play the part. There are lots of kung fu masters out there that can act just as well if not better than the actors that were chosen.
methylcellulose
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On the matter of kung fu specialists, I think they chose Keanu Reeves because he's just a sexy, sexy man. (<= Okay, I'm just kidding there.)
I liked how they (being the W brothers) were able to bring in totally inexperienced people and make them fight. The incorporation of wire fighting into American cinema is just something else that the W brothers are introducing as revolutionary along with bullet time technology, etc. They're just saying "hey, look what everyone else has ignored". Then, they did it a second, and a third time (and by then it wasn't new anymore).
I liked how they (being the W brothers) were able to bring in totally inexperienced people and make them fight. The incorporation of wire fighting into American cinema is just something else that the W brothers are introducing as revolutionary along with bullet time technology, etc. They're just saying "hey, look what everyone else has ignored". Then, they did it a second, and a third time (and by then it wasn't new anymore).
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Mephura:
Sounds about right. Mathematically, Neo is a cumulative whole-number remainder from an equation designed to balance integral human will with the control imposed by the environment of the Matrix. If Smith is the opposite of that, the two added together equal zero, negating their mutual presence in the Matrix.
Metaphysically, Neo is the embodiment of human will to choose, to guide one's destiny, to live. Smith is the nihilistic opposite, existing only to destroy life, to move all things toward "the inevitable", where will and choice are irrelevant. Again, they negate one another. The machines used the fact that Neo was jacked in as a means of catalysing this "addition", rather than Smith simply overwriting Neo's mind.
Now, here's where I think things get fuzzy: the machines use Neo to delete Smith (and vice versa). We see Neo carted off by the giant machine slab, still jacked in, and we see it in orange "neovision". Now, I presume that Neo was reinserted into the Matrix/equation as the Architect said he had to be in his big speech, and that this is what set things right in the Matrix (rubble being cleared away, etc). But I wonder, does Neo's conciousness still exist in the Matrix? Or the real world? I assume so, since we see Neo's exit through his own eyes (or at least his weird orange vision). Does this mean he has moved to a higher level of being/conciousness? Does he now dwell bodiless in the Matrix? Is Neo the Starchild? Had it not been for the neovision at the end (and the Oracle "suspecting" that everyone would see Neo again) I would have assumed that he was brain-fried. Guess not.
Maybe we'll learn more from The Matrix Online, not that the Wachowski brothers will get another dime out of me.
Mephura:
Sounds about right. Mathematically, Neo is a cumulative whole-number remainder from an equation designed to balance integral human will with the control imposed by the environment of the Matrix. If Smith is the opposite of that, the two added together equal zero, negating their mutual presence in the Matrix.
Metaphysically, Neo is the embodiment of human will to choose, to guide one's destiny, to live. Smith is the nihilistic opposite, existing only to destroy life, to move all things toward "the inevitable", where will and choice are irrelevant. Again, they negate one another. The machines used the fact that Neo was jacked in as a means of catalysing this "addition", rather than Smith simply overwriting Neo's mind.
Now, here's where I think things get fuzzy: the machines use Neo to delete Smith (and vice versa). We see Neo carted off by the giant machine slab, still jacked in, and we see it in orange "neovision". Now, I presume that Neo was reinserted into the Matrix/equation as the Architect said he had to be in his big speech, and that this is what set things right in the Matrix (rubble being cleared away, etc). But I wonder, does Neo's conciousness still exist in the Matrix? Or the real world? I assume so, since we see Neo's exit through his own eyes (or at least his weird orange vision). Does this mean he has moved to a higher level of being/conciousness? Does he now dwell bodiless in the Matrix? Is Neo the Starchild? Had it not been for the neovision at the end (and the Oracle "suspecting" that everyone would see Neo again) I would have assumed that he was brain-fried. Guess not.
Maybe we'll learn more from The Matrix Online, not that the Wachowski brothers will get another dime out of me.
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YES! Totally man.Originally posted by mgwisni
Pros: Hugo Weaving is incredible, and Agent Smith will go down in history as one of the greatest bad guys ever. That speach he had when him and Neo were in the bottom of that pit was incredible.
It almost seemed smith's dialogue was from a different writer than the rest of the movie, to me everything he said was spot on, in all 3 movies in fact, smith was the most logical character and talked so much sense, he didn't seem like bad guy to me.
In a way his speach in that pit just made everything else pointless. In my eyes he "won" the whole battle with that speach alone.
Also hugo weavings facial expressions rock, agent smith is without a doubt one of the best characters in movie history.
The rest of the movie, I enjoyed but it was kind of cheesy, how many times did they go on about love in a really annoying way? "I can tell you are in love" etc, there were so many stupid sentences like that.
*SPOILERS*
BTW I'm pretty sure neo died, me and my friends were arguing about it but i thought it was pretty obvious, I thought that robot thing was going to eat him, that would have been cool, haha, if it had a woodchipper device on its back and just lifted his carcass up and feeded him into it. Hey it would have been better than nothing which is what we got.
Anyway, the matrices are awesome even if only for agent smith's harshly stiff reality checks.
He is by far the best thing to come from this movie series and an agent smith spinoff movie would be awesome.
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The cliche lines that the humans were sprouting were so irritating that I was actually rooting for the Sentinels & Smith to win and silence them. There's only so many "I believe in you, Neo" that one can take. How did the dialogue degrade to such a level? It wasn't this bad in the second film.Originally posted by Dr Lou Natic
It almost seemed smith's dialogue was from a different writer than the rest of the movie
I really have no other way of saying this but watch the movie the second time and it will hit you at how perfect the ending is. It absolutely makes sense but on a bigger level. Try not to care about the fate of the characters but try to understand the ending on a bigger level. I can't say trust me but if you try it does makes very much sense.
I panned the movie for its ending but i take back what i said.....the ending is crystal clear once the movie is seen again and the key scenes are heard closely and watched with attention for minute details.
Mephura you were right and i apologize to you for my defensive reply earlier.
I panned the movie for its ending but i take back what i said.....the ending is crystal clear once the movie is seen again and the key scenes are heard closely and watched with attention for minute details.
Mephura you were right and i apologize to you for my defensive reply earlier.
He is by far the best thing to come from this movie series and an agent smith spinoff movie would be awesome.
Indeed. I hope they make a movie like that. That would rock.
downwithXP
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That film is amazing. No complaints. Well hardly any.
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I would have liked a little more clarity on the whole 'is Neo dead?' thing and why Neo was seeing everything Orange, but, to be fair during the film I was so distracted by the amazing special effects that I didn't even notice that they hadn't explained it. Oh and I didn't find myself caring that much when Trinity died, but that was possibly because I never liked her anyway.
*SPOILERS*
I would have liked a little more clarity on the whole 'is Neo dead?' thing and why Neo was seeing everything Orange, but, to be fair during the film I was so distracted by the amazing special effects that I didn't even notice that they hadn't explained it. Oh and I didn't find myself caring that much when Trinity died, but that was possibly because I never liked her anyway.
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