Martial arts

draqon said:
I tried TaeKwanDo...but still like Judo more...once I loose the weight...Ill be able to participate in martial art clubs so that people are not afraid of me...otherwise I come to a Judo challenge and when someone tries to do anything with me they cant even budge me, because my master always told me how to stand properly and seize the power of gravity so that others are not able to move you, and cannot make any moves on me. So after two or three people try it out...noones wants to challenge me....*sob*...thats how it was...now I dont do Judo anymore...
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yeah thats good advice, "rooting" many bagua/taiji excersizes are for improving your rooting/footing to give you good stability, horse stance, tree stance are very good for this, i like hugging tree stance, after years of training using it, it will greatly improve your grappling skills,


what kind of training do you do to strengthen your footing? solo and partner training its all good,
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
actually that is not true,

not bieng negative but seriously taiji just appears flowery to the untrained eye, yes i know alot of slander will follow me after this post probably from certain people (not avatar),
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Actually those were not my words because I haven't trained Tai Chi, those are words of most martial art school instructors in Latvia.
I've been asking around in tournaments them for an advice on a supplimentary martial art that would meet my intended needs, and they all were quite negative about Tai Chi as a combat worthy art.

Interestingly they all were quite positive about Aikido (I asked only one Aikido man, the rest were from other styles (like Judo, Taekwondo, Karate, Taibox, etc).
As a side note they all said (except the Aikido man) that a mistake is to take Aikido as the first style to learn, because you are poor at stopping hits if you don't know how to hit yourself, but Aikido is great for those who already have a martial arts base.
 
oh ok sorry for that, i missunderstood i thought that was your opinion,


i havent trained in aikido (much) i know the basic methods and theory behindits style though, and have learned a little from some teachers,


peace.
 
i have studied Kuntao kung-fu for the last few years, previous to that, i was an amateur boxer as a teenager.

Kuntao kungfu is based on destroying a foe before they know there is a fight to happen.
i have also begun Jun Fan lessons this winter. its fairly interesting.
 
are kuntao, that is effective, very dangerous fighting techniques, silat forms i believe, good for street defence, realistic combat training, i have studied in this, but mainly comes rooted from original shaolin and mix of internal external forms, i believe it spread and blossomed in indonisia if im correct? started in china spread across far and wide then changed and evolved into something new,

maybe you would be interested in ninjutsu, real ninjutsu, they specialise in many many realistic situations, with no honour system,

the art of the ninja is many griouped into a few "styles" under the same blanket.


do you practice any old shaolin methods?

peace.
 
Kuntao kungfu is based on destroying a foe before they know there is a fight to happen.
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But that means...
1. you are the agressor
2. if something happens, the witnesses will tell you were the first to attack to the police
3. you'd have to prove the police that the oponent was going to attack (good luck in that)

doesn't look too good
 
I started with Shokotan karate when i was about 7 for a year or so, but didnt so much like the solid movements. I took up Muay Thai for its directness and power base, lethal attacking.
Im currently practising A bit of splahing hands kung Fu , the sister arts ..xingYi/bagua/tai chi and mainly jet kune do.

I really want to learn some sort of sword art...bedises Kali silat (JKD)

:)
 
Mosheh Thezion said:
so im thinking of signing up again.. but i cant deside what type to study.
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Excellent!

You know, I tend to think that the particular style is a lot less important than finding a school and an instructor that you really like. It is really important to have a great relationship with your instructor and your fellow students. That is the foundation of the training. I am lucky, I have a great school not too far away.
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
i would love to read everybodies experience in martial arts, i believe although i have been training for almost 20 years consistantly, i could still learn something from a 10 year old white belt. but i could also teach a old master a thing or 2, we have alot to learn, and alot to teach, i will read everyones post with content.
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For my first Dan I had to write a paper on my experiences and my thoughts about my art. For my upcoming second Dan test I had to write a paper on the tenets of taekwondo.

If other people have similar papers, perhaps we could share them? Either post here or provide a link?
 
Avatar said:
But that means...
1. you are the agressor
2. if something happens, the witnesses will tell you were the first to attack to the police
3. you'd have to prove the police that the oponent was going to attack (good luck in that)

doesn't look too good
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yes very true, but if its in time of war, or you need to despose of enemies without the laws of society then its good,

i personally never start any kind of violence, i only react to situations witht he necesary force,

but if i were to need these skills because people were going to kill me, and my loved ones were in danger of future attacks, these skills would become needed in a sense, depending on how you handle yours,

i like the diversity of all the styles thats why i dont just do a single form i dont limit myself to morals when it comes down to survival, in times of battle the only moral is that i live to see anouther day and so do the people i car about,


peace.
 
Timeless_Exitance said:
I started with Shokotan karate when i was about 7 for a year or so, but didnt so much like the solid movements. I took up Muay Thai for its directness and power base, lethal attacking.
Im currently practising A bit of splahing hands kung Fu , the sister arts ..xingYi/bagua/tai chi and mainly jet kune do.

I really want to learn some sort of sword art...bedises Kali silat (JKD)

:)
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i find that aswell, but the system of true karate is very efficient, it is a strong powerfull style, but like you stated, its the same for me i prefer to move flowing not rigid and stiff, (except maybe on the point of impact). but the karate "katas" are not for fighting there for drill training, do a single kata 100 times per day over and over, its just for training,

but i agree karate is rigid and stiff, alot of japanese styles are like that, but all japanese styles originate from china if you trace the roots, mainly to shaolin itself,

i prefer flowing styles, but i box aswell, and do practice karate methods still to this day.

peace.
 
Lerxst said:
Excellent!

You know, I tend to think that the particular style is a lot less important than finding a school and an instructor that you really like. It is really important to have a great relationship with your instructor and your fellow students. That is the foundation of the training. I am lucky, I have a great school not too far away.
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you speak the truth,

there are no good styles and forms,

only good teachers and students,


peace.
 
yes very true, but if its in time of war, or you need to despose of enemies without the laws of society then its good,
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True, but that is not for me.
I agree though that any skills are useful, and the more - the better. :)
 
Lerxst said:
For my first Dan I had to write a paper on my experiences and my thoughts about my art. For my upcoming second Dan test I had to write a paper on the tenets of taekwondo.

If other people have similar papers, perhaps we could share them? Either post here or provide a link?
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i actually have many, i would love to share them, i will convert them from hand written onto the computer sometime soon,

i have a great paper i wrote on the diversity of the shaolin way of life, and how its not just a martial art rather a way of warrior life. it is 90% on its martial basis but also some of my own philosophy along with it. i know people high up in the shaolin temples, i presented this to the abbot monk at the brixton temple, he was pleased with it,

peace..
 
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True, but that is not for me.
I agree though that any skills are useful, and the more - the better. :)
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indeed,

each martial artist to his own, its good that there are such a diverse combination of martial arts styles, because people are so diverse in many ways, physically and mentaly, so each person will find a style that is better suited to there attributes and characteristics,

the military have changed there martial tactics, (western). i will gather the tactics formerly used not long ago, they mainly consisted of alot of stomping, shouting rage encouraged, frenzied shock tactics, brutal no mercy style unnarmed combat, used alot of chinese techniques for death moves, hitting various locations "weak spots" neck, eyes, groin, joints, hammer fist blows to the head, chops to the neck, hitting with any weapon availsble, gun buts pistol whips, more stomping, more stomping, and anythign that kills quick basically, never restrain anyone, just finish them off,


i will get the actual styles methods taught to the military forces of the west, they had to change it not too long ago to become more "user friendly" with todays human rights laws etc,


peace.
 
The Biddle Fairbairn Applegate methods (WW2 Combatives) were designed to be ruthless, efficient, and effective h2h combat. These systems were later modified and adopted as the standard USMC close combatives system until it was replaced by the LINE system.

The LINE (Linear Infighting Neurological Overide Engagement) Combat System was a martial arts program used by the United States Marine Corps between 1980 and 2002.

The accurate use of pressure points and efficient breaking of bones and hard tissue (especially the elbows, wrists, knees, and nose) are among the first steps of every move. This is intended to cause a "neurological override": such exteme pain that the opponent's brain can not sufficiently focus to allow him to fight back and may even cause the opponent to lose consciousness.

The initial attack is followed by a takedown, with the attacker generally staying in contact with the broken limb to maintain leverage on the target.

The takedown is immediately followed by a straight-legged downward stomp of the opponent's head with the heel. As LINE is used while wearing combat boots and full gear, the impact is intended to be lethal.

Due to the extremely painful and deadly focus of LINE, it was replaced in 2002 by the Marine Corps Martial Arts Program (MCMAP), which has more humane, non-lethal applications.

It is interesting to note that the reason LINE was abandoned was because it "lacked non-lethal techniques needed for peace keeping."

The basic concepts before the changes were:

Always take ground, move forward, into the opponent. Most casualties in war and h2h combat are due to attempting to retreat.

Stomp forward, stomp on his feet, stomp on his head when he goes down. Stomp everywhere, it enhances aggression.

Use "Drop stepping" Step forward, allow your whole body weight to fall forward, strike a split second before putting your foot down (stomping, of course). This method was used by the old bare-knuckle boxers.

Stomp on enemy's foot, but make point of impact at knee or just below and GRIND down the shin.

Kicks ... use stomping motion to perform low line kicks to groin and knee, shin, ankle, etc.

Learn to stomp forward, chin jab, followed by a rear trip. Grab the throat, crush it, and push backward and down while knee striking the groin.

Did I mention stomping?

Non telegraphic strikes from anywhere (own these).

Chin jab - Drive forward and strike under the chin, pushing forward. Use fingers to claw eyes. Once contact is made, push ahead, and rip back, claw the face.

Elbow strike ...like it needs explaining.

Knee strike - straight forward into the groin, or to face/head of bent over enemy.

Edge of hand blow ... Aim for the throat, side of neck, collar bone, or back of neck at base of head. Secondarily, aim for the upper lip or nose.

Hammer fist - aim for nose, collar bone, groin.

Fist - not recommended, due to possibility of breaking fingers or injuring wrist etc. If you decide to punch anyway, use the vertical fist (as used in bareknuckle boxing). Soft targets ONLY.

Throws - AVOID! they require fine motor skills in many cases and are untrustworthy in a life or death battle. However, the basic hip toss and outer reaping or back trip can be relied upon.

FIGHT AS DIRTY AS POSSIBLE...AT ALL TIMES.
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2. A NUMBER OF REPORTED INJURIES HAVE BEEN ATTRIBUTED TO MCMAP
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INTEGRATION WITH A UNIT’S WEEKLY PHYSICAL TRAINING SCHEDULE. MCMAP
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PRACTICED BY ALL TRAINERS. THE TECHNIQUE OF "FITTING IN" CAN BE A
USEFUL TOOL. "FITTING IN" A LONG STANDING GRAPPLING PRACTICE - IS
A PROTOCOL IN WHICH ONLY 2 OF THE 3 PORTIONS OF A THROW ARE EXECUTED
(E.G., ENTRY, OFF-BALANCING). ACTUAL THROWING CAN OCCUR ON A MUCH
LESS FREQUENT BASIS. MULTIPLE FIT-INS CAN AND SHOULD BE PRACTICED
(RATIO OF 1 THROW TO 10 FIT-INS IS RECOMMENDED).
B. WHEN CONDUCTING BODY SPARRING OR FREE SPARRING ENSURE PROPER
PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT IS USED. FREE SPARRING - OF ALL TYPES - IS
CONDUCTED AT A MAXIMUM OF 50% OF EACH MARINE'S STRENGTH AND
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Lately I feel that I've become too peaceful for martial arts. More and more I find my motivation in wanting to keep fit rather than to be able to take someone down. It's quite likely that if in a few years someone assults me I'd just stand there and ask "why?".

Because, in the end for what would you fight for? Life? Doesn't matter a few years sooner or later, nothing changes anyway, the universe stays and life remains. My little body is minute in this, nothing "bad" will happen, when it's gone.
 
I like your copied text, EmptyForceOfChi. It seems that they have summed up what any civilised martial art school already employs.
We get very little injuries in ours and we're required to be in control of the hit at all times, so at any time the hit can be stopped. So in our sparings we only slightly touch the opponent although the hit itself is fast and powerful.
Injuries tend to happen only if the oponent is careless and pushes himself on the hit, or if the hitter itself was not professional enough.
 
yeah,

and thanks i copied it from a good martial artist i know who lives out in florida, he quoted the text from some official papers, he is very experienced and teaches private non civilians martial tactics and methods,

but he actually in his own time studies and trains in taiji and shaolin gong fu,
 
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