Mansfield helicopter ufo incident

Magical Realist

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Here's a compelling ufo encounter that occurred in the 70's with a military helicopter. The video is from the 90's TV series "Sightings". James R asked me to post a good case so he can "make an example of me." So go ahead James. Warning though..I will not submit to insults and ad homs. If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.

 
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Here's a compelling ufo encounter that occurred in the 70's with a military helicopter. The video is from the 90's TV series "Sightings". James R asked me to post a good case so he can "make an example of me." So go ahead James. Warning though..I will not submit to insults and ad homs. If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.


Why do you not post anything more recent?

For example, there was a well-documented UFO incident in Puerto Rico [Aguadilla] in 2013, which has gun-camera video, radar data & eyewitness testimony associated with it. There was a follow-on incident in 2014.

There were/are the Phoenix lights of 1997, which are twenty years ago, but still newer than the '70s.
 
Why do you not post anything more recent?

For example, there was a well-documented UFO incident in Puerto Rico [Aguadilla] in 2013, which has gun-camera video, radar data & eyewitness testimony associated with it. There was a follow-on incident in 2014.

There were/are the Phoenix lights of 1997, which are twenty years ago, but still newer than the '70s.

Why do I have to post only recent sightings? Does the passage of time invalidate a ufo encounter?
 
Why do I have to post only recent sightings? Does the passage of time invalidate a ufo encounter?

In a sense, yes. It is indicative of observer bias on your part.

If UFOs are... Then they are... Always. There should always be recent reports that would be found reputable.
 
In a sense, yes. It is indicative of observer bias on your part.

If UFOs are... Then they are... Always. There should always be recent reports that would be found reputable.

Wrong..the classic ufo cases are not invalidated by the passage of time. They are just as compelling as they were the day they happened. There is no observer bias at all. Why don't you post a thread on a recent ufo case instead of bitching about my threads?
 
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They are just as compelling as they were the day they happened

From the 70's to today technology has made great advantages

I would have expected UFO sightings to
  • Increase in number/frequency
  • Increase in quality
Not happening. Still fuzzy photos. Same for ghost. Why? why? why?

Just about every 6 months or shorter periods a new phone comes out. Electronic stores are awash with up to date with the newest bestist gadgets. Never seen a ad saying we have the new best ghost detector. Or - install the new UFO detection ariel on your roof to find out what flying overhead - has thousands of filters to screen out all aircraft and planets so no false alarms. If the alarm goes off you have been visited. For a few extra $s add the auto photo/video recording with sound included

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Magical Realist:

Here's a compelling ufo encounter that occurred in the 70's with a military helicopter. The video is from the 90's TV series "Sightings". James R asked me to post a good case so he can "make an example of me." So go ahead James. Warning though..I will not submit to insults and ad homs. If you don't like the message, don't shoot the messenger.
So, let's be clear before I start on this. Are you going to follow it through, answering my questions etc., or are you going to quit as soon as the going gets tough?

My first question is a simple one: at what time of day did the Mansfield UFO encounter take place?
 
Magical Realist:


So, let's be clear before I start on this. Are you going to follow it through, answering my questions etc., or are you going to quit as soon as the going gets tough?

My first question is a simple one: at what time of day did the Mansfield UFO encounter take place?

I'll answer whatever I feel like answering.
 
So you're reneging on your commitment to post what you regard is a compelling UFO case that you are willing to examine in detail?

Do you not even know the time that the incident occurred?
 
The time was 11:00 PM.
Ah. Interesting.

It does raise some problems with the "extra witnesses" you linked to in post #2 of this thread, though.

It should be pointed out right from the start that no independent witnesses came forward until 3 years after the incident, and then only after it had been widely publicised in the press.

Brian Stevens describes what looked like an orange ball fixed in the sky and reflecting the light of the setting sun.

“I couldn’t take my eyes off it,” said Stevens, who was 13 at the time. “The next day, when it was on the front page of the paper, I felt privileged to have seen it.”

Stevens said when he saw the object, he was walking on Ohio 39 in the Roseland neighborhood and looking toward Westbrook Country Club, which was where the object appeared to be hovering.
Was the sun setting at 11 pm at night, then?

Or did Brian see something long before the incident with helicopter?

Later that night, Glenn Stout was on break from his job at Mansfield Tire and was standing on the back dock with some coworkers when he saw what he describes as “a crazy looking light” moving toward and nearly colliding with a helicopter in the area of Westbrook Country Club.
In case there's any doubt about Brain's timeline, we are told that Glenn saw the UFO "later that night".

I wonder why Glenn was working at Mansfield Tire at 11 pm at night, along with a number of co-workers. It seems a little strange to me that they are all working late at the tire place.

When he saw the news that a UFO had interfered with the flight path of an an Army Reserve helicopter over Mansfield, he was sure he had witnessed the same incident.
And we confirm that Glenn reported his "sighting" after he saw the news about it.

Earlier in the day, Judith Hamm was outside a home near Pavonia when she saw what looked from afar like a plane flying at an alarming speed toward another plane. The object then veered away and disappeared.

“I almost screamed because I thought they were going to hit,” she said. “It actually was headed right toward the plane like it was deliberate.”

Hamm said she thought the object may have been a military craft, but it moved more quickly than any plane she has seen before or since, and oddly, it seemed to move just as easily backwards as forwards.
So Judith saw something "earlier in the day". Note earlier in the day. Not "earlier in the night". So, if she saw something, it is apparently unconnected with the 11 pm helicopter incident - just like Brian's sighting is unconnected.

Les Kiser has no doubts about he saw that day— a UFO.

“I’m a big believer in UFOs now because I know what I saw, and it wasn’t anything military,” Kiser said.

He was 13 years old at the time and was working in the back yard of his Burger Avenue home with his 30-year-old sister when he saw an oval-shaped craft with two red lights. The red lights disappeared, and then a green light appeared and lit up a nearby helicopter.

Kiser estimates the craft appeared to be about the size of a semi-trailer. He recalls worrying the craft would make the helicopter crash.

“My sister said, ‘That’s an Army helicopter, so it’s probably the military. Don’t say anything to anyone about it.’ So I didn’t,” Kiser said. “It was so strong for me that I never lost it in my mind even though I haven’t talked about it in 40 years.”
Was Kiser - a 13 year old kid - really working in the back yard with his sister at 11 pm at night? Does that strike you as a little strange? Like the guys all working away at the tire shop at 11 pm at night?

Also, it is interesting that Kiser describes the "craft" as "oval-shaped", when the pilot of the helicopter on the video in the opening post describes it as "cigar shaped". So who is right and who is wrong?

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None of these "extra witnesses" seem to be reliable.

And we haven't even started on the pilot and crew of the helicopter yet.
 
I don't know why seeing a ufo earlier in the evening or the day is necessarily a different ufo from the one seen that night. Do you have enough data to draw that conclusion? Also questioning what people were doing outside at night is irrelevant. That's what they were doing. Outside things. There is no evidence of lying or fakery here.

Also, it is interesting that Kiser describes the "craft" as "oval-shaped", when the pilot of the helicopter on the video in the opening post describes it as "cigar shaped". So who is right and who is wrong?

There's enough leeway in this shape to qualify as both oval and cigar shape.

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Next question: Magical Realist, can you confirm that the helicopter was a Cessna 182 Skylane?
 
I don't know why seeing a ufo earlier in the evening or the day is necessarily a different ufo from the one seen that night.
It would certainly be helpful if we could confirm that multiple "witnesses" were all looking at the same thing. There is significant doubt about that here.

Also questioning what people were doing outside at night is irrelevant. That's what they were doing. Outside things. There is no evidence of lying or fakery here.
If the timelines don't make sense, then it does suggest possibly lies or fakery. Simple mistake is another possibility.

There's enough leeway in this shape to qualify as both oval and cigar shape.
Oh, I see. It's all a big vague, is it?

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Also found this from one of the "witnesses", Lee Kiser:

I too remember this happening very well, me and my sister were in the back yard working when we saw this craft with red lights almost like hoovering around in the sky, me being 13 and my sidter being about 30 she told me not to say anything about it, so until now 2013 I kept it to myself,
So this event happened in 1973, and Lee took until 40 years later to publically say anything about it.

I guess you'll have an excuse for that.
 
So this event happened in 1973, and Lee took until 40 years later to publically say anything about it.

I guess you'll have an excuse for that.

He explains it himself:


"my sister being about 30 she told me not to say anything about it, so until now 2013 I kept it to myself,"
 
I'm just saying that this "witness" would have been more credible if he had come forward at the time, not 40 years after the event and 40 years after the event had been well publicised and mythologised.
 
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