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[Magical Realist]

Yes..they like to photobomb selfies and photos.


Here's one of a little girl:

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/23/ghost-girl-captured-in-snapchat-selfie/25218039/

Here's one of a woman's dead husband:

Can you find the little ghost boy here? Hint: look low..

Here's an old lady ghost laughing.

Really creepy one:

Find the ghost...

 

[paddoboy]

What can one say!!!!

 

[Daecon]

Where's the evidence that they're really ghosts and you're not just being made a fool of?

 

[paddoboy]

Example of confirmation bias......

 

[Magical Realist]

Where's the evidence that they're really ghosts and you're not just being made a fool of?

Where's the evidence they're faked? Did you read the background stories?

 

[paddoboy]

http://canterburyatheists.blogspot.com.au/2010/08/10-reasons-why-ghosts-dont-exist.html



10 Reasons Why Ghosts Don’t Exist.

Only the gullible and those that have mandates to substantiate the after-life believe in ghosts and the paranormal.

Ghosts are simply wishful thinking and a convenient excuse for explaining ‘what goes bump in the night.’

Proving ghosts are a man-made psychosis is in-fact very simple.

1.) Ghosts come in one form – that just happens to be human - which is conveniently what we bipedal-chimps want to see, and not say a dead cow hovering at the end of ones bed. Have you ever heard of the legend of oceans being haunted by ghostly plankton?

2.) Ghosts just happen to be nocturnal, preferring night-time to ‘do their thing’. So when you die you suddenly become adverse to daylight – right?

3.) Like the popular bug-eyed Aliens, modern ghosts are all stereotypical, with the same looks and characteristics. The standard ghost or spectre in China is that of a Chinaman. The standard ghost in an Inuit community resembles the locals and not a six foot six black-man.

4.) Purportedly ghosts have the ‘magical’ capabilities to travel through walls, levitate etc. Powers they didn’t have when they were alive. They move objects all the time – but never get behind the wheels of a car and drive, type a letter on a computer or light-up a Bensons and Hedges. When it comes to interacting with humans all ghosts want to do is scare the shit out of the living in the dead of night or flash their tits at us in photos. Aimless activity, no-one has been able to detect with any surety.

5.) Ghosts are allergic to large crowds. ‘The Ghost of Super Bowl’ or ‘The Ghost of F.A Cup’ – I don’t think so.

6.) Ghosts love hotels and pubs. When you die you head immediately to ‘your local’ for a pint. How else could you explain the disproportionately high number of pubs that are haunted? And it’s always old pubs that act as magnets to the living dead, rather than a Five Star Hilton.

7.) If you can walk through walls why don’t you simply drop through the floor as well?

8.) Why aren’t all ghosts totally naked?

9.) Seeing that potentially we living-humans share the planet with 60 billion spirits, comprising all of humanities dead – where do these hordes of living-dead spend their time? I mean where do they live? Caves? The bottom of the ocean? The stratosphere? Six to a house?

10.) Last but not least – there is not a shred of evidence

 

[Daecon]

Where's the evidence they're faked? Did you read the background stories?

Nope. Doesn't work like that.

You have to disprove that there could be absolutely any other explanation ever* for these "ghost" photos before you can conclude "oh it must be ghosts".

*Including but not limited to, double exposure, not paying attention, deliberate hoaxing, and so on.

 

[Magical Realist]

Nope. Doesn't work like that.

You have to disprove that there could be absolutely any other explanation ever* for these "ghost" photos before you can conclude "oh it must be ghosts".

*Including but not limited to, double exposure, not paying attention, deliberate hoaxing, and so on.

I don't have to disprove anything. I simply post convincing evidence of ghosts. When you prove they're double exposure, or deliberate hoaxing, let me know. I won't hold my breath though..

 

[Kittamaru]

Where's the evidence they're faked? Did you read the background stories?

Not how it works - you made the claim, YOU have to provide the evidence that this isn't simply a case of double exposure, graphic artifacts, or other anomalies.

I don't have to disprove anything. I simply post convincing evidence of ghosts. When you prove they're double exposure, or deliberate hoaxing, let me know. I won't hold my breath though..

Again, that isn't how this works -

13. Appropriate supporting evidence or explanations should be posted together with any opinion, especially on contentious issues. Sciforums is not your personal blog, and should not be used to promote your unsupported opinions. Links and references are always welcome, though a convincing argument will often do just as well or better.

15. Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence. If you’re claiming that Einstein was wrong, or that evolution does not occur, or that aliens are visiting Earth, be prepared to provide strong evidence in defence of your argument. If you only have an opinion, avoid posting on topics such as these.

16. Avoid using logical fallacies in arguments.

YOU are making the EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM that these are pictures of ghosts, and not some sort of graphic artifact or other mundane explanation.

Prove it

 

[Magical Realist]

Not how it works - you made the claim, YOU have to provide the evidence that this isn't simply a case of double exposure, graphic artifacts, or other anomalies.



Again, that isn't how this works -



YOU are making the EXTRAORDINARY CLAIM that these are pictures of ghosts, and not some sort of graphic artifact or other mundane explanation."



Prove it

"Appropriate supporting evidence or explanations should be posted together with any opinion, especially on contentious issues."

The explanations are provided with the photos. So I am in line with the rules. However, if YOU make the claim they are faked, YOU need to provide evidence or an explanation. That's how it works.

 

[Daecon]

You're the one claiming ghosts. That's a stupid claim so you need to provide the evidence.

 

[Magical Realist]

Here's some more:

Here's one taken by a deer cam in the woods late at night. See the little girl? The deer does..

 

[Magical Realist]

Your the one claiming ghosts. That's a stupid claim so you need to provide the evidence.

It's only stupid or extraordinary if there are no such things as ghost. That's not a given. That's called begging the question. I don't do that. I go strictly by evidence, not by an unfounded belief there are no such things as ghosts.

The Fallacy of Circular reasoning is in the form: "A is true because B is true; B is true because A is true.

Example: "Ghosts don't exist because there is no evidence for ghosts. There is no evidence for ghosts because ghosts don't exist."

 

[paddoboy]

It's only stupid or extraordinary if there are no such things as ghost.

There are no such things as ghosts for many reasons..see post 6...

That's not a given. That's called begging the question. I don't do that. I go strictly by evidence,

That is total bullshit. There is no evidence of ghosts. You being so gullible, are taken in by hazy pictures, second hand say so, double exposures, bumps in the night, and unfounded woo in general

not by an unfounded belief there are no such things as ghosts.

There are no such things as ghosts, because they defy logic, sensibility, and you are unable to produce them on demand.
At the ODI cricket world cup yesterday, a streaker ran on to the MCG field, just before proceedings were starting. 93,000 people saw it....it was real.
Ghosts obviously and scientifically are figments of people's imagination, illusions and also delusions.
They defy the scientific method totally as do those that believe in such drivel.

 

[Daecon]

I go strictly by evidence, not by an unfounded belief there are no such things as ghosts.

No, you go by the unfounded belief that there are ghosts and ignore all evidence to the contrary.

The only "evidence" you can come up with isn't even evidence. That's why nobody intelligent accepts it.

 

[Bells]

Yes..they like to photobomb selfies and photos.


Here's one of a little girl:

http://www.wkyc.com/story/news/nation/2015/03/23/ghost-girl-captured-in-snapchat-selfie/25218039/

Here's one of a woman's dead husband:

His fuzziness and the different light in the area around him - as in the sky looks brighter than the rest of the sky in the image and the fact that where his hands would be showing behind her head indicates that someone digitally cropped in a bust photo of the man and put him in that photo. The grey suit and her grey hair probably helped hide it well.

Can you find the little ghost boy here? Hint: look low..

The little "boy" as the same fact as the little girl in the picture, only not crying. You can see that the image has been digitally altered by the two people on either side of the "boy". The woman on the left of him, her pants on her leg, one appears to be scrunched up bizarrely and the woman on the right of the "boy" looks as though part of her pants leg has a grey square inserted in it, between her leg and the child's face, not to mention that her other leg looks as though parts of her leg slopes in very unnaturally, as though it was shaved off to fit the child in that space. When you look at the venetian blinds behind them, at the top the blinds look like they are wide blinds. At the bottom, they look as though they are narrower blinds and you can tell this by the chains linking them at the bottom and the blinds seem to not be straight at the bottom - they are sloping down from the right to the left of the picture.

Here's an old lady ghost laughing.

Fuzzy image, weird lighting, just looks like someone was standing behind them was smiling and was caught out by the weird flash, making her look strange.

Obvious manipulation. The fuzzy child's hands look as though she is holding onto a foot, as they are distinct feet and toes near where her arm curves in and the feet look as if they were crossed one on top of the other. The fact that the jar immediately next to the woman is leaning to the left, which indicates it was photoshopped.

Really creepy one:

Not really. Face in shadow and poking up over the top of the wall, the flash caught his eyes. My kids do this in photos all the time. Really annoying.

Obvious double exposure. The fact that there are multiple faces in the figure next to the woman in the black shirt and weird angles and the weird way her shirt has lit up on the right of the image and the light from the right of the image appears to have curved around the front of her body bizarrely and the way her shirt is almost glowing..

Find the ghost...

Double exposure or photoshop. You can tell by the "ghost" hair. One strand is curling the wrong way. Not to mention the girl immediately to the right of the "ghost" appears to have fingers sticking out of her shoulder.

Photoshopped.

The building right in front of the figure, if you look, the corner of the building is leaning to the left, as is the white post next to it, and all the other walls are straight and you can tell this by looking at the building behind the white post, right to the left of it is either a gutter downpipe or a corner in the building itself and that is dead straight, but the portion where the figure is, is leaning to the left. Plus the weird shadow at the base of the white post.

 

[Kittamaru]

"Appropriate supporting evidence or explanations should be posted together with any opinion, especially on contentious issues."

The explanations are provided with the photos. So I am in line with the rules. However, if YOU make the claim they are faked, YOU need to provide evidence or an explanation. That's how it works.

Nope - you are claiming they are something more than mundane - thus, you must explain why this is.

It has been this way with every single scientific discovery... what makes you so special that you think you can skirt the rules?

 

[Magical Realist]

Nope - you are claiming they are something more than mundane - thus, you must explain why this is.

It has been this way with every single scientific discovery... what makes you so special that you think you can skirt the rules?

The explanations are provided. They show that they were innocent photos taken by innocent people. No profit motive, no attempt to prove ghosts. If you are claiming they are something else, or that these people are lying, you need to prove this. A history of hoaxing photos? A confession of hoaxing by a friend? Something other than the typical baseless claim that they aren't authentic photos.

 

[Magical Realist]

His fuzziness and the different light in the area around him - as in the sky looks brighter than the rest of the sky in the image and the fact that where his hands would be showing behind her head indicates that someone digitally cropped in a bust photo of the man and put him in that photo. The grey suit and her grey hair probably helped hide it well.


The little "boy" as the same fact as the little girl in the picture, only not crying. You can see that the image has been digitally altered by the two people on either side of the "boy". The woman on the left of him, her pants on her leg, one appears to be scrunched up bizarrely and the woman on the right of the "boy" looks as though part of her pants leg has a grey square inserted in it, between her leg and the child's face, not to mention that her other leg looks as though parts of her leg slopes in very unnaturally, as though it was shaved off to fit the child in that space. When you look at the venetian blinds behind them, at the top the blinds look like they are wide blinds. At the bottom, they look as though they are narrower blinds and you can tell this by the chains linking them at the bottom and the blinds seem to not be straight at the bottom - they are sloping down from the right to the left of the picture.



Fuzzy image, weird lighting, just looks like someone was standing behind them was smiling and was caught out by the weird flash, making her look strange.


Obvious manipulation. The fuzzy child's hands look as though she is holding onto a foot, as they are distinct feet and toes near where her arm curves in and the feet look as if they were crossed one on top of the other. The fact that the jar immediately next to the woman is leaning to the left, which indicates it was photoshopped.



Not really. Face in shadow and poking up over the top of the wall, the flash caught his eyes. My kids do this in photos all the time. Really annoying.


Obvious double exposure. The fact that there are multiple faces in the figure next to the woman in the black shirt and weird angles and the weird way her shirt has lit up on the right of the image and the light from the right of the image appears to have curved around the front of her body bizarrely and the way her shirt is almost glowing..


Double exposure or photoshop. You can tell by the "ghost" hair. One strand is curling the wrong way. Not to mention the girl immediately to the right of the "ghost" appears to have fingers sticking out of her shoulder.


Photoshopped.

The building right in front of the figure, if you look, the corner of the building is leaning to the left, as is the white post next to it, and all the other walls are straight and you can tell this by looking at the building behind the white post, right to the left of it is either a gutter downpipe or a corner in the building itself and that is dead straight, but the portion where the figure is, is leaning to the left. Plus the weird shadow at the base of the white post.

Nope..there is no evidence these are photoshopped. Nothing you pointed out proves this in any way. Photoshopping would involve cropping and other things. Mere disproportions in the pant wrinkles and leaning buildings and crooked blinds mean nothing. Perhaps you should submit them to a REAL photoanalyst. Someone who isn't simply trying to find excuses to support the belief that there are no such things ghosts.

 

[Bells]

The explanations are provided. They show that they were innocent photos taken by innocent people. No profit motive, no attempt to prove ghosts. If you are claiming they are something else, or that these people are lying, you need to prove this. A history of hoaxing photos? A confession of hoaxing by a friend? Something other than the typical baseless claim that they aren't authentic photos.

Did you know you can get apps for your phone (and tablets I'd assume) that allows you to add spirit and ghosts to photos you take with your phone?

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.insasofttech.GhostCam&hl=en

You can also get it for apple products:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ghost-effects/id568017486?mt=8

My children must never ever get a hold of these apps. Ever.

I am sure there are others out there. And with some photo shop and programs like gimp, photo shop programs, you could go nuts. There is even an article about some of these apps: http://appadvice.com/appnn/2010/03/spook-your-friends-ghost-capture

There are also instructional videos on youtube. For example: