Absane said:
Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
--- Ron.
Kotoko is Arditezza?
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Vanity of vanities, saith the Preacher, vanity of vanities; all is vanity.
--- Ron.
Ah. Interesting.
No wonder she was so adamant that she was posting of her own volition....
Kanteletar
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invert_nexus said:
We are married. We consult.
I hope you get well soon, nexus.
With your juvenile panty obsession and other stuff that is.
Mine are UK size 12 from Marks and Spencer.
Too bad you forgot to introduce yourself, to explain your interest in me.
In case you happen to need to call me a liar sometime our number is in the BT phone book, usually at home late evening London time...
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Consult. Encourage. Coerce.
Whatever.
You have your story and you're sticking to it. And, hey, I actually believe you.
Mostly.
Well. I'd hope that you are insightful enough to realize that I'm not speaking about panties at all.
One never knows though...
Hi. I'm Michael.
My interest in you is next to nil.
Your husband, however, I find annoying when I find him popping up in random threads talking about Water constantly.
Something wrong with this medium should I choose to call you a liar?
invert_nexus said:
To which address would one send a libel writ?
--- Ron.
Muahahahahahahhahahhahahhhahhahahahhahhhahahhhahhahhahhahhahhhahahaaa!!!
Heh.
A libel suit, he says.
Man, Ron, you're a funny little guy.
Does saying that sort of thing usually get you laid, or what?
A libel suit.
Dipshit.
Heh.
A libel suit, he says.
Man, Ron, you're a funny little guy.
Does saying that sort of thing usually get you laid, or what?
A libel suit.
Dipshit.
invert_nexus said:
So do you think that it doesn't matter then, whether or not somebody's real name is revealed here, like nothing
posted here is of any consequence anyway, in real terms?
In an earlier posting Kotoko suggested that somebody's job might be at stake.
Do you disagree with that?
--- Ron.
Bells
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Speak up for herself or defend you? Meh.. you decide. From where I'm sitting it is obvious that you have an abnormal obsession with Water. How in the world you managed to convince the person claiming to be your wife to defend you, I really do not care to imagine. Or maybe she's not your wife but your little alter ego. Either way, it shows that issues abound. I guess the mental pic of a guy begging his wife to come an defend him about his obsession on an internet forum, because people had recognised said obsession is to say the least, kind of sick. But that's just me.perplexity said:
And you're still obsessing! There might be a reason why she's no longer speaking to you. Why do you care if she's changed? Why do you care if she has different personalities on different forums? She can be whoever the hell she wants to be. It really is none of your business.
Riigghhttt. You consult! Would love to imagine that dinner time conversation... "darling, I have a problem.. some people on this forum I go to have realised that I am stalking and obsessing over another woman on the forum, and I need you to come and speak up for me and tell me I'm normal"... "of course dear"..Kanteletar said:
So obsessing over female underwear and what goes into said underwear is 'juvenile' but a grown and old man stalking a woman on the internet and never ceasing to speak about her in a forum, and then having his wife come and defend him about his obsession is normal?
Maybe you two need to consult some more.
Bells said:
My wife Anne encouraged me to pursue the ralationship to begin with, and she has also communicated on friendly personal terms with "water" so I feel that a natural interest, if not a responsibility then falls to her to consider the consequence.
Bells said:
Just you indeed, you and your own imagination.
Bells said:
Whoever the hell she wants to be as in "Is Kotoko Arditezza?"?
We seem here to suffer a confusion of causes, cognitive dissonance in action.
It was not me who chose to raise the question: "So who is the walking talking untruth?"
Discerning nevertheless that the question was meant seriously I felt that the propenent deserved the full respect of a serious reply to it.
Bells said:
Perhaps then you would be kind enough to explain why who I should happen to care about should be any of your business.
When forming what was thought to be a good friendship one likes to know who the friend is. One tries to get to know them. If you stop to think about it this is not so odd.
Why she suddenly changed is not then so much of a mystery to me. She was suddenly supended for a month from the E-Sangha forum, which must have come as quite a shock. The future of the relationship was also already discussed extensively in private correspondence, between myself and her directly, and between her and my wife, Anne. Personally I am not so much concerned with any supposed change of status, more with the falsification of the record, the delusion she runs away with. For as long as anybody might take that seriously I reserve the right to do the same, for others may yet have their own idea of who abused who.
Are you at all aware of the history of the relationship, the extent and the nature of previous communication?
I refer for instance to extensive online chat that she herself chose to initiate and continue, for as long as four hours per session, plus personal telephone calls and exchanges of gifts by mail.
A concern for somebody does not suddenly cease just because the somebody appears to have suffered from a fit, a mental breakdown in a time of crisis, nor am I so sure that it is in any way kind to her to raise any of this as an issue here again.
It is important here to realise an essential difference: I am sane. She is insane.
Riigghhttt. You consult! Would love to imagine that dinner time conversation... "darling, I have a problem.. some people on this forum I go to have realised that I am stalking and obsessing over another woman on the forum, and I need you to come and speak up for me and tell me I'm normal"... "of course dear"..
More like " the fools here have no idea of what is going on and they don't want to believe what I tell them. Maybe better if you try."
Take that up with invert_nexus.
Female underwear is obviously his own obsession, not mine.
Before he suddenly came up with it here nothing at all had been said on the subject.
I am sorry to have had to go over this again.
We knew already the extent to which "water" invests her energy as if to prove her supposed abnormality but there is really no need to take it quite so seriously.
--- Ron.
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extract from MSN Chat, 14th April 2006:
23:08:36 N: i was so angry
23:08:38 RH: Like he was worth it?
23:08:43 Nejka: my neighbours probably think i am insane
23:08:46 RH: sad
23:08:51 N: the way i screamed
23:09:02 RH: What provoked that?
23:09:16 RH: what exactly?
23:09:17 N: i just read some of his
23:09:26 N: smoke screen of wordswordswords
23:09:31 RH: does he know this?
23:10:01 N: he knows i screamed, but nothing else
23:10:09 N: he doesn't know of the wounds, the bites
23:10:18 RH: You are insane
23:10:26 N: what hurt so much was when he said "You know I wish for your happiness"
23:10:36 N: and "I just thought you would be yourself"
23:10:46 N: yes, i am insane
She habitually throws temper tantrums and mutilates herself.
Those who befriend her naively should be warned of what to eventually expect.
Wish her happiness and she'll complain that you hurt her.
If you don't believe it, ask Jenyar, who made that big mistake.
--- Ron.
23:08:36 N: i was so angry
23:08:38 RH: Like he was worth it?
23:08:43 Nejka: my neighbours probably think i am insane
23:08:46 RH: sad
23:08:51 N: the way i screamed
23:09:02 RH: What provoked that?
23:09:16 RH: what exactly?
23:09:17 N: i just read some of his
23:09:26 N: smoke screen of wordswordswords
23:09:31 RH: does he know this?
23:10:01 N: he knows i screamed, but nothing else
23:10:09 N: he doesn't know of the wounds, the bites
23:10:18 RH: You are insane
23:10:26 N: what hurt so much was when he said "You know I wish for your happiness"
23:10:36 N: and "I just thought you would be yourself"
23:10:46 N: yes, i am insane
She habitually throws temper tantrums and mutilates herself.
Those who befriend her naively should be warned of what to eventually expect.
Wish her happiness and she'll complain that you hurt her.
If you don't believe it, ask Jenyar, who made that big mistake.
--- Ron.
And still you coimpletely miss the point due to your obsession.
Sad, really.
Sad, really.
invert_nexus said:
Which point was that?
This sort of point?
or this
water said:
--- Ron.
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Wow!!!
All you people are so…..so….so…healthy.
When I was first directed to this forum – after being banned from another one for my outspoken vulgarity - I had no idea….no IDEA!!!!...what kind of cesspool of human, adolescence and retarded development it would turn out to be.
I should have known from the get-go when a certain fountainhed introduced me to this forum’s intellectual spirit with his well crafted insulting attack on my ‘Beware of Greeks’ thread – oh soooo long ago when I was known by another name - what an entertaining place this is.
A little, electronic fishbowl of human social interaction and need, feigning to be this or that.
At first I hoped that he represented the exception to the rule and that, like with most sites, he was but a minority here.
Eventually I came to understand what sciforums was all about and I adapted accordingly.
I changed my alias, to reflect my adjustment, and, I admit, indulged in the childishness and pseudo-intellectual posturing which was used as a smokescreen for the real happenings and motives.
I saw queens and princesses, weasels and wormtongues, footmen and girly-men; I saw backroom dealings and secret communications, stalkers and cowards, fools and phantasms; I saw stinging vengeful flies and insecure twits and, from time to time, I saw some good ones as well.
I enjoyed it all, for a time.
An interactive soap-opera it is.
A fitting place for a Satyr to play in but not much for a Wanderer to settle down.
No matter how bitter, despairing and cynical I can be accused of being I could never hope to match this level of depravity and psychological instability; a pulsating wound of need covered by pretty flowers and painted like a rainbow.
I loved it.
Now I know what was meant when someone once, not so long ago, accused me of not being “emotionally available” on sciforums or not being a “friend”.
Emotionally available?! I would need to go insane and loose a big chunk of my self-respect to wallow in these …waters.
Don’t get me wrong, I feel pity for some and what they suffer, but what concern it is of mine when they refuse to even look into the light because they fear going blind?
Let them live in their delusions and remain eternal victims of themselves and their rampant emotional chains, blaming others for all their woes.
Some aren’t looking for ways out of their misery but for excuses to remain entrenched in them.
Have you ever heard a fat person tell you that beauty is only skin deep? Just a way of compensating for the fact that she or he can’t lose weight.
If a blind man walks into a wall, I feel compassion for him.
But if this blind man has blinded himself or chooses to keep his eyes shut because the sunlight hurts his eyes, then I laugh as he screams out in pain and blames the wall for being so hard. And if he then calls me cruel or of suffering from some kind of mental illness or if he accuses me of being so brutal because I am suffering the repercussions of my "dysfunctional" past…I laugh even louder.
Nobody owes you something, you pathetic imbeciles!
You either earn it or you don’t.
The universe doesn’t care!
There is no inherit human nobility or some deserved dignity or some universal moral imperative.
There is no intimacy or unselfish love, with no strings attached.
Everything is reciprocity and economics.
Perhaps now someone can expand on how naiveté and romantic idealism is preferable to brutish honesty.
Cynical is what the weak call the one they fear might be right or what they can never hope to understand and cope with.
Intelligent community?.... indeed.
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