King Arthur

It has been alluded to but what is interesting about these stories is finding out what the initial seed was, the grain of truth.
I am totally happy for someone putting forward the case for AN Arthur, an Arthur figure or possibly figures if there is some ancient, text, inscription, drawing, painting, engraving or other archaeology to support it.
Absolutely not wanting to go off topic but this is also interesting for Biblical figures, a kernel of truth behind a fantastic story.
Perhaps a stout chap called Noah managed to save his family by floating on a stable roof when the Euphrates burst it's banks? Then combine that was the Gilgamesh story that was widely popular via oral tradition at that time?
I am not an historian and there is no evidence of my invention, I am just giving a possible scenario for a Moses, or Noah, Robin hodd and Arthur.

That is it Pinball, "the grain of truth". If you look at these legends with the intention of finding the grain of truth you know is there, you'll come away wiser.

It can be used for ancient Sumerian tales like Gilgamesh, and all religion, particularly if you're an atheist/agnostic. If you are a theist it might strengthen your faith... or weaken it.
 
I think the history of early Britain was obscured by that: obscurity.

The incident that changed the world in the 700s BC and lasted up to the beginnings of 1000's AC is the reason why the transmission of the events was mixed with fables to become legends that endure up to today.

In my opinion, in order to understand the history of Britain, one must collect the pieces of evidence scattered here and there and start to connect the dots forming the figure.

British is a word that means "the man of (the) covenant". Question will be: a covenant with whom?

The legend of King Arthur talks of the right person to insert the spade into the stone. Second question then is: what stone are they talking about?

And so forth. This is to say, better start playing the game with the loose pieces and start to make them joint properly.

I will do what is forbidden in traditional, but the case of King Arthur still is catalogued as "legend". This is the game to play.

Why not starting with information obtained from sources which in appearance have nothing related to the subject itself.

The Bible mentions of a dude called Jacob, a very tricky man since he was born. I won't speculate anything but just describe some events happening with this dude. In one moment when he was traveling, he collected some stones and forming a pillow he went to sleep. He had a dream, a weird dream. When he woke up, he was excited. (original Hebrew mentions "stones" but later Jacob lifted one stone only. Someone suggested that a miracle happened, and the stones became one. This part could be Hebrew idiomatic term, or the way they talked in those times, but is not much important to get deep into "stones" and "stone" at this time).

The case is that he appears to call "Bethel" to the place that is called Luz. He carried that stone with him, poured it with oil. Jacob made a pillar, and the "stone" was put at the top, in other words, he made an altar.

Even when the Bible doesn't specify it, Jacob took and carried that "stone": with him wherever he went to. Years passed by and now Jacob is very old and blind in Egypt, and he called his children. Before dying he decided to bless his sons. Before assembling with all of them, he called Joseph and his sons Ephraim and Manasseh, and he told them the story of the Almighty appearing to him in the land Called Luz, about the received blessings, etc. Later, when all his children were together with him, Jacob started to give blessing to them.

When it was Joseph's turn, Jacob gave him a particular "gift". Most translations don't appreciate much what the Hebrew text says, but to give it a proper meaning, Jacob said the following: "

But his bow remained steady, his strong arms stayed limber, because of the hand of the Mighty One of Jacob, because of the Shepherd* "of" the Rock of Israel. (* shepherd, keeper).

Joseph became the keeper of Bethel, the Rock of Israel.

Joseph asked his sons to bring his bones with them wherever they went to, apparently Joseph didn't want his rest to stay in Egypt. When The Arc was built, the rests of Joseph were carried near it, but the "stone" was also inside Joseph's coffin. The Exodus, the creation of the Kingdom of Israel, the split of this kingdom in two, the invasions of the Egyptians and finally of the Chaldeans/Babylonians. Zedekiah became the last king of Judah and the exile to Babylon was next. After receiving his freedom, according to 2 Macabees, Jeremiah took the Ark to the mount where Moses was allowed to give a look at the promise land. From here Jermiah traveled to the isles of the West. His arrival was first to Ireland. Here in Ireland was born a legend of a man who arrived with a wonderful stone. Other legends were born around the "stone", that Druids took it with them, and between a century the "stone" ended in Scottland. The "stone" continued being sacred all the way from Babylon/Judah up to Scottland.

As far as the legend goes, the final destiny for this "stone" is Westminster Abbey. According to the legends, no matter where the "stone" ends its whereabouts, always a Scottland king will be the ruler of that place.

Here is where I find the similitud between the stone of the King Arthur legend coinciding with the legends about the "Stone of Israel": only the right person might be the ruler when put his hands on that stone. It must be noticed that when old prophet Jeremiah arrived at Ireland, he found descendants of king David, and that these descendants took care of that "stone".

Just legends...
 
Here is where I find the similitud between the stone of the King Arthur legend coinciding with the legends about the "Stone of Israel": only the right person might be the ruler when put his hands on that stone. It must be noticed that when old prophet Jeremiah arrived at Ireland, he found descendants of king David, and that these descendants took care of that "stone".

Just legends...

Do you actually think there's a connection between the King Arthur legend and the bible? What inspired this?
 
The legend I read came from Herbert Armstrong's books. He claimed that the "stone of destiny" was the rock that Abraham used as an altar when he was asked to sacrifice his son to Yehweh.

It's been decades since I read his writings, and subsequently came to the conclusion that he was a nutcase. But he ties all sorts of biblical sources to Britain. I'm sure his articles are all over the interwebs. Should be easy to find.
 
Basically Alan is describing how Britain could of been where the trojans fled to, and we(Britain) have a rich history, full of intrigue and mystery, while Oxford and Cambridge conviently add details and remove details from books to write the history our leaders down South want us to think. He also thinks Jesus(with his wife and daughter) came to Britain, and the 12 tribes(I think).xanytging he says
Does anything he says have evidence to support it? You're kind of describing it with a lotv of 'maybe's. Is it more than speculation?
I wonder what was true in Alan's work.
Its a pity you have to wonder.

I don't trust the fact that history is written by the winners. I trust genuine people.
How do you know he's a genuine people? How do you distinguish genuine people from not genuine?
 
Do you actually think there's a connection between the King Arthur legend and the bible? What inspired this?
Legends in many cases are history told as fables. The use of the fable style of historical transmission of vents is understood as a way of being narrated attractively and as a way to be remembered generation after generation orally or thru written means.

The legend of Arthur implies a round table, some versions count more than one hundred nights while other sources claim only twelve. The most credible for us should be a table big enough for twelve persons, because a round table for one hundred fifty people sounds exaggerate.

Twelve nights helps a lot for the idea of a descendant of king David continuing in the throne surrounded by the representatives of the twelve tribes of Israel, something very similar to Jesus and the twelve apostles.

Current history points Ephraim and Manasses as the two brothers controlling the political, economic and social status of the world. Knowing that the two brothers are the US and the UK, it is not hard to understand that the blessing of tricky Jacob has been fulfilled. The tribe in control of the world hosts the descendant of David as its King. By the way, the existence of kings and queens in today's world is to fulfill the prophecies involving nations and kings in the last days. If democracy was to eradicate completely kings, then the prophecies can't be fulfilled. And yes, you manage to eradicate kings and queens from European countries and around the world, then God will be in trouble, His prophecies won't be accomplished.

The fulfillment of the two brothers pushing the nations of the world is a fact, a current fact. Will be vain not to recognize it. Their influence is so deep that most of leaders must learn to speak English in worldwide leaders' meetings.

I give a lot of credit to those legends with metaphorical figures and historical narrations, that when the dots are connected, then you are in the right path when you understand the coincidences between them.
 
Legends in many cases are history told as fables. The use of the fable style of historical transmission of vents is understood as a way of being narrated attractively and as a way to be remembered generation after generation orally or thru written means.

The legend of Arthur implies a round table, some versions count more than one hundred nights while other sources claim only twelve. The most credible for us should be a table big enough for twelve persons, because a round table for one hundred fifty people sounds exaggerate.

Twelve nights helps a lot for the idea of a descendant of king David continuing in the throne surrounded by the representatives of the twelve tribes of Israel, something very similar to Jesus and the twelve apostles.

Current history points Ephraim and Manasses as the two brothers controlling the political, economic and social status of the world. Knowing that the two brothers are the US and the UK, it is not hard to understand that the blessing of tricky Jacob has been fulfilled. The tribe in control of the world hosts the descendant of David as its King. By the way, the existence of kings and queens in today's world is to fulfill the prophecies involving nations and kings in the last days. If democracy was to eradicate completely kings, then the prophecies can't be fulfilled. And yes, you manage to eradicate kings and queens from European countries and around the world, then God will be in trouble, His prophecies won't be accomplished.

The fulfillment of the two brothers pushing the nations of the world is a fact, a current fact. Will be vain not to recognize it. Their influence is so deep that most of leaders must learn to speak English in worldwide leaders' meetings.

I give a lot of credit to those legends with metaphorical figures and historical narrations, that when the dots are connected, then you are in the right path when you understand the coincidences between them.
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The legend I read came from Herbert Armstrong's books. He claimed that the "stone of destiny" was the rock that Abraham used as an altar when he was asked to sacrifice his son to Yehweh.

It's been decades since I read his writings, and subsequently came to the conclusion that he was a nutcase. But he ties all sorts of biblical sources to Britain. I'm sure his articles are all over the interwebs. Should be easy to find.
There are stories that tell that Joseph of Arimathea brought the Holy Grail to Britain.
The round table had 13 seats. The 13th was the Siege Perilous where only a pure knight could sit. That knight was Sir Galahad.
 
Does anything he says have evidence to support it? You're kind of describing it with a lotv of 'maybe's. Is it more than speculation?

I got into him about ten years ago, can't remember much but he published quite a few books with pictures of what he thinks is archeological evidence, and evidence from history books.

Its a pity you have to wonder.

Yeah, he died I think, and I didn't know.

How do you know he's a genuine people? How do you distinguish genuine people from not genuine?

Most of the time it's in the eyes when they are talking to people what is the eye contact like. It should be almost 90% eye to eye in my opinion.
 
Legends in many cases are history told as fables. The use of the fable style of historical transmission of vents is understood as a way of being narrated attractively and as a way to be remembered generation after generation orally or thru written means.

The legend of Arthur implies a round table, some versions count more than one hundred nights while other sources claim only twelve. The most credible for us should be a table big enough for twelve persons, because a round table for one hundred fifty people sounds exaggerate.

Twelve nights helps a lot for the idea of a descendant of king David continuing in the throne surrounded by the representatives of the twelve tribes of Israel, something very similar to Jesus and the twelve apostles.

Current history points Ephraim and Manasses as the two brothers controlling the political, economic and social status of the world. Knowing that the two brothers are the US and the UK, it is not hard to understand that the blessing of tricky Jacob has been fulfilled. The tribe in control of the world hosts the descendant of David as its King. By the way, the existence of kings and queens in today's world is to fulfill the prophecies involving nations and kings in the last days. If democracy was to eradicate completely kings, then the prophecies can't be fulfilled. And yes, you manage to eradicate kings and queens from European countries and around the world, then God will be in trouble, His prophecies won't be accomplished.

The fulfillment of the two brothers pushing the nations of the world is a fact, a current fact. Will be vain not to recognize it. Their influence is so deep that most of leaders must learn to speak English in worldwide leaders' meetings.

I give a lot of credit to those legends with metaphorical figures and historical narrations, that when the dots are connected, then you are in the right path when you understand the coincidences between them.

A bit all over but a good read, some good points, not sure about the "two brothers".

You say: And yes, you manage to eradicate kings and queens from European countries and around the world, then God will be in trouble, His prophecies won't be accomplished.

You need to expand your knowledge regarding Gods power. If he says it will be done it will be so.
 
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