Kick Ass Stuff

I've never seen that set up before, the trombone is practically in the tenors ear!
Yes you're right it is odd mixing up the orchestra and singers. I would find brass in my ear quite offputting - unless the line it has fits with my own, which perhaps it does in this case. I only know the bass line for choir 1 though, so can't comment. I'd have to get out the score and have a look in detail.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=jRc9dbgiBPI

I'm not saying they're the best of the best, I'm just suggesting that they may be worthy of some consideration.

No one would believe I was worthy if I attempted the same. I've saved you your tasteful sensibilities by not even trying to pretend to be capable.
 
Reminds me of this. I probably heard this for the first time when I saw the film "Amadeus."
Probably heard bits and pieces in films and TV but not aware of it in sit down ready, this is Mozart, listen mode.


The opening is beyond beautiful and he just keeps ramping it up. If I was still a theist I would say this is god given, no one human could create this, he must had divine inspiration.

49.30 onwards is just incredible. If I could still get those high notes I would love to sing it.
 
youtube.com/watch?v=jRc9dbgiBPI

I'm not saying they're the best of the best, I'm just suggesting that they may be worthy of some consideration.

No one would believe I was worthy if I attempted the same. I've saved you your tasteful sensibilities by not even trying to pretend to be capable.
All your links are broken. Can you not go on the video and use the share tab, then paste it?
 
I'm not saying they're the best of the best, I'm just suggesting that they may be worthy of some consideration.
My Japanese preferences tend to start and stop with X Japan. Their "Last Live" concert from '97 (their farewell gig after a 15-year career) is simply awesome. Part of their appeal, to me at least, is that they can switch from very heavy/fast metal to the most incredible ballads.
Kurenai

Endless Rain

(both worth watching for the crowd alone!)

Their founder (and majority composer) is the drummer in the first and pianist in the second. Superb at both.

I have no doubt that there are other Japanese artists that are worth considering, but Japan X pretty much scratches all the itches, and others tend to be bland by comparison, even if the members may be virtuosic. X Japan have been one of the more influential bands in the Japanese metal sphere.
 
Ha. People such as myself like the music from 300-400 years ago best.:biggrin:
As long as the cut-off is at 300 years ago. The period from ca. 1750 to 1850 is by far my least favorite period in Western Classical music. And apart from Bach and a small handful of pre-Baroque composers, 20th and 21st century is best--and, oddly, from the turn of the previous century to present, the vast majority of my favorite composers are from the US and the UK.

Kaikhosru Sorabji is fantastic, and his works for solo piano and organ particularly stand out. He was a big proponent of a relatively little explored musical form, the piano or organ symphony--solo works intended to communicate the tone colors and textures of a full symphony orchestra.

 
My Japanese preferences tend to start and stop with X Japan. Their "Last Live" concert from '97 (their farewell gig after a 15-year career) is simply awesome. Part of their appeal, to me at least, is that they can switch from very heavy/fast metal to the most incredible ballads.
Kurenai

Endless Rain

(both worth watching for the crowd alone!)

Their founder (and majority composer) is the drummer in the first and pianist in the second. Superb at both.

I have no doubt that there are other Japanese artists that are worth considering, but Japan X pretty much scratches all the itches, and others tend to be bland by comparison, even if the members may be virtuosic. X Japan have been one of the more influential bands in the Japanese metal sphere.
I'll check these out
 
That too is great to sing.
A community choir my wife was going to sing with in 2020 had planned to do the Requiem. They had a couple rehearsals...in February. We were a little lachrymose when it was cancelled. Much favilla.


Not seeing much Beethoven love here. His piano sonatas, especially the Big Three, are favorites of mine. (Pathetique, Appassionata, Moonlight)
 
Not seeing much Beethoven love here
I found him more tricky, more serious not as pretty. However, when I heard the 2nd movement of his seventh, oh my.
There are some lovely little tricks, an unexpected major phrase that struck me as odd but any one line would not make huge sense.
Mozart could kill you with one line Bach too.
However, put this together and it is one of my favourite classical pieces.
 
A community choir my wife was going to sing with in 2020 had planned to do the Requiem. They had a couple rehearsals...in February. We were a little lachrymose when it was cancelled. Much favilla.


Not seeing much Beethoven love here. His piano sonatas, especially the Big Three, are favorites of mine. (Pathetique, Appassionata, Moonlight)
I find his symphonies can be a bit militaristic. Napoleon and all that. But he is the great master of the piano. And his violin concerto is fabulous.
 
Not seeing much Beethoven love here. His piano sonatas, especially the Big Three, are favorites of mine. (Pathetique, Appassionata, Moonlight)
I like his piano stuff and string quartets, and some chamber pieces. Otherwise, Beethoven represents much of what I dislike in Western music generally. This may be a bit harsh, but I see Beethoven almost as a precursor to arena rock. But really, that whole period--from about the mid-18th to the mid-19th century--seems very much about excess and bombast.

That said, I think it was Busoni--better known as an arranger than a composer--who commissioned Bosendorfer to make the Imperial: A full 8 octave, 97 key piano. IIRC it was to accommodate certain pedal tone when arranging Bach organ pieces for piano. Perhaps bombastic, in a different sense. Lots of great artists made excellent use of the Imperial, Cecil Taylor in particular. But Charlemagne Palestine's work has always been my favorite:

And some live Palestine (the stuffed animals are his):
 
I found (Beethoven) more tricky, more serious not as pretty. However, when I heard the 2nd movement of his seventh, oh my.
There are some lovely little tricks, an unexpected major phrase that struck me as odd but any one line would not make huge sense.
Mozart could kill you with one line Bach too.
However, put this together and it is one of my favourite classical pieces.
I've always regarded Bach as worlds apart from Beethoven and Mozart. Obviously, there's the enormous stylistic differences; but I'm talking more about attitude. Bach's work has always struck me as deeply personal, and as though composed entirely for himself--albeit humbly.

Douglas Hofstadter's Gödel, Escher, Bach has always been one of my favorite books, of that type (whatever "type" that is). I feel like I understand Bach better through that book than through any biographical or critical/ theoretical writing on Bach.

Incidentally, as far as ostensible "biopic" type works about composers, Ken Russell's work reigns supreme. From his films about Elgar and Tchaikovsky (The Music Lovers) to his wackier works on Mahler and Liszt (Lisztomania), Russell always had some rather strong opinions. I'd be remiss here if I didn't also give a nod to Klaus Kinski's insane masterpiece ostensibly about Paganini (sometimes titled Kinski Paganini), but clearly more about Kinski and his depraved obsessions. Definitely not "essential", unless you're a Kinski completist.
 
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Hmmm, that Charlemagne Palestine is different, for sure. Interesting. For some reason reminds me of early Tangerine Dream, albums like Phaedra, or Alpha Centauri, where they just take you on a journey.

However, bringing it aaaall the way back to X Japan, as I try to crow-bar another of their oeuvre into the conversation ;), he does remind me of the middle section of their phenomenal 29-minute track "Art of Life"... a repetitive theme but then gets gradually more chaotic and dischordant, reflecting descent into mental despair/anguish. Before resolving (sorry for the spoiler! ;))

But, yeah, that Palestine chap is certainly different.
 
I like his piano stuff and string quartets, and some chamber pieces. Otherwise, Beethoven represents much of what I dislike in Western music generally. This may be a bit harsh, but I see Beethoven almost as a precursor to arena rock. But really, that whole period--from about the mid-18th to the mid-19th century--seems very much about excess and bombast.

That said, I think it was Busoni--better known as an arranger than a composer--who commissioned Bosendorfer to make the Imperial: A full 8 octave, 97 key piano. IIRC it was to accommodate certain pedal tone when arranging Bach organ pieces for piano. Perhaps bombastic, in a different sense. Lots of great artists made excellent use of the Imperial, Cecil Taylor in particular. But Charlemagne Palestine's work has always been my favorite:

And some live Palestine (the stuffed animals are his):
I do agree about the "bombast" in a fair bit of Romantic era music, especially Germanic. It turns me off too. The composer seems to be saying "Look at me, the great Artist, and my important ideas". People like Mahler, Bruckner and Wagner who often seem to use enormous orchestral forces to produce shouty music that seems to have a sort of muddy, unclear texture, or else to convey a kind of emotional wallowing. It all seems a bit pompous and self-indulgent to me.

But there are c.19th pieces I like, e.g. Tchaikovsky's Violin Concerto, some Verdi operas and some Schubert (the latter two really knew how to write tunes).
 
Hmmm, that Charlemagne Palestine is different, for sure. Interesting. For some reason reminds me of early Tangerine Dream, albums like Phaedra, or Alpha Centauri, where they just take you on a journey.

However, bringing it aaaall the way back to X Japan, as I try to crow-bar another of their oeuvre into the conversation ;), he does remind me of the middle section of their phenomenal 29-minute track "Art of Life"... a repetitive theme but then gets gradually more chaotic and dischordant, reflecting descent into mental despair/anguish. Before resolving (sorry for the spoiler! ;))

But, yeah, that Palestine chap is certainly different.
Back in the day, Palestine was an associate of Lamonte Young, Tony Conrad, et al. Lots of those guys were mathematicians and liked to experiment with alternate tunings in their work, with a lot of "maths" and stuff done beforehand. Palestine has mostly worked with equal temperament and his work draws on the inevitable harmonic resonances of the strings, cabinet, environment, the beating, etc.--that's why you need the Bosendorfer Imperial! Some of this is calculable and predictable; some of it less so (I guess all of it would technically be calculable and predictable, but one would have to account for every single conceivable factor prior).

This always brings me back to a rather cryptic passage in Henry Cowell's New Musical Resources. He talks about meeting some Russian guy who has this crazy instrument--which Cowell, for some stupid reason, does not describe in any way--which allegedly produced sub-harmonics. Yes, he's talking about an acoustic instrument here. That ain't possible, right? No instrument, definitionally--that whole double-the-wavelength thing--can produce it's own subharmonic. Maybe a much larger enclosure? Or the room itself? I don't know, I've always been confused by that passage.
 
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