Kangaroo Culling

spidergoat said:
Kangaroos were of course present in ancient Australia, but not in the numbers they have today. This was due to humans deliberately burning the wilderness to increase the habitat for these relatively easy prey, who feed on grass. The aborigines used them like we use deer. Deer were also smaller in numbers before people turned the forests into grasslands. We already changed the environment, and killing off excess kangaroo or deer is necessary to manage their numbers, so greater environmental damage will not result.

Kangaroo leather is also among the strongest and thinnest you can find.
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Or you could reestablish pre-human conditions in the large uninhabited areas of Australia.
Killing of the kangaroos is a lazy and temporary solution.
Preservation and reestablishment of original environment is the most important thing to do here, especially for the rare wildlife.
You don't honestly think this rare wildlife is save from human meddling with the environment in the long run, do you ?
Cities are going to expand and non one will care for the demise of the rare wildlife when living space for humans is the issue.

We either preserve and reestablishment original environment on huge scales or kiss goodbye most of the earths ecosystems.
Lots and lots of species are going to die out if we don't do something. Only species that can take a real blow are going to survive.
I'm not sure what the eventual impact of that will be but I'm afraid this scenario spells doom for human kind as well in the long run.
Which is maybe a small consolation.

Having said all this, I am skeptic about the future.
Man will keep putting himself above the environment and life will suffer the consequences, humans included.
I think it's too late.
 
Lots of australian species already died out. A massive kind of lizard, a huge flightless bird, the largest marsupial that ever lived...

 
Enmos, where the hell are you going to get predators for Australia that can take down Kangaroo? At the Jurassic Park laboratories? Pre-human conditions, my withered scrotum. None of you who spout this gibberish has the slightest clue how to carry out such plans.
 
MetaKron said:
Enmos, where the hell are you going to get predators for Australia that can take down Kangaroo? At the Jurassic Park laboratories? Pre-human conditions, my withered scrotum. None of you who spout this gibberish has the slightest clue how to carry out such plans.
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Well.. you have a point there.
Humans killed off all the major predators.
Slaughtering another animal because of our stupidity doesn't seem right though.
Are you sure there aren't any other solutions ? Sure they may cost a whole lot more..

By the way, I don't see them killing off humans.. Does that mean humans are not destroying the environment ?
If they are consequent in their reasoning they should be killing off humans. There are too much of them around for the environment to carry.
 
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The stupidest thing that I do in my life is talk to people like you. Talking to people like you is stupider than fucking a pig in broad daylight when I could just as easily wait until after dark.
 
MetaKron said:
The stupidest thing that I do in my life is talk to people like you. Talking to people like you is stupider than fucking a pig in broad daylight when I could just as easily wait until after dark.
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So we have now established that you are stupid.
Alright.. how is this going to help your argument ?
 
enmos in most cases it comes down to what we belive to be more humaine. This cull is to protect two other species but most culls (take the koala cull on kangroo island for an example) is to protect the species from deaths by a worse method ie stavation. Nature has ways of keeping populations under control to but they are much less "nice" than a bullet to the head or an injection of potasium. Nature just leaves the animals to stave and if they reach that point then alot more will die than would die if they were culled to a sustanable population. I do agree with you that some culls are done for the wrong reasons (to protect farmers crops for instance or protect food for live stock) but not all of them are.

I would ask you, what do you think of killing cane toads, carp, feral camels and feral goats?
 
Asguard said:
enmos in most cases it comes down to what we belive to be more humaine. This cull is to protect two other species but most culls (take the koala cull on kangroo island for an example) is to protect the species from deaths by a worse method ie stavation. Nature has ways of keeping populations under control to but they are much less "nice" than a bullet to the head or an injection of potasium. Nature just leaves the animals to stave and if they reach that point then alot more will die than would die if they were culled to a sustanable population. I do agree with you that some culls are done for the wrong reasons (to protect farmers crops for instance or protect food for live stock) but not all of them are.
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Asguard, it's the humans that brought on these changes.
Why do the Kangaroos have to suffer for it ?
They had another plan but it cost too much...
I say tough luck, implement it.
Also, nature has ways of returning to equilibrium on its own.
When food supply lessens Kangaroos will start dying and start producing less offspring.
People may think it's more cruel then shooting them, but it isn't.
It's how nature solves these kind of situations.
I wish people would just let nature the fuck alone and stop meddling.

Asguard said:
I would ask you, what do you think of killing cane toads, carp, feral camels and feral goats?
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Depends.. you are probably referring to them as invasive species.
Invasive species should be culled.
But remember two things:
- In by far the most cases invasive species is mans fault.
- Humans are an invasive species in almost every ecosystem in the world.
 
and what about when the native species become invasive?
Take for instance the teatree which while native to WA has taken over victoria and is out compeating local species
What should be done about that?

Im sorry but i DONT agree with leaving plage populations alone to wipe out other species which compeate for the same limited resorces and i dont agree with letting them stave when its our fault they get to those proportions by limiting the amount of fire around.
 
Asguard said:
and what about when the native species become invasive?
Take for instance the teatree which while native to WA has taken over victoria and is out compeating local species
What should be done about that?
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Then it's invasive.. I'm not considering country-boundaries here.
But, if the plant spread through natural causes it should be left alone. This, I admit, could be difficult to establish.

Asguard said:
Im sorry but i DONT agree with leaving plage populations alone to wipe out other species which compeate for the same limited resorces and i dont agree with letting them stave when its our fault they get to those proportions by limiting the amount of fire around.
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I agree, something should be done. We should just remember that it is OUR fault.
And again, humans are such a plague population.
 
There are some big issues here.
Relocating the roos shouldn't have been one of them.
Apparently the quote to relocate them was something like six million dollars, fuck me, that is totally ridiculous.
I mean they rounded them up to dart them, then euthanase them, surely it would have been cheaper to stick 'em on a truck and drive out to the high country, anywhere.

The entire Australian continent had been isolated for millenia.
The Aboriginal people arrived something like sixty thousand years ago and lived as close to biologically neutral or uninvasive as seems possible for our species.

The indigenous mammal species in particular were evolved for incredibly narrow niches and the sudden impact of the 'weed species' ( rabbits, rats, foxes, cats, goats, pigs etc, etc) have wiped out an astonishing number of species. The Tasmanian Tiger is far from the only extinction.

Add Man ( invasive variety) and a host of other weeds ( including domestic livestock) and you have a unique biodiversity under extreme duress.

The crazy thing is, the delicate soil structure ( often almost non existent) is copletely unsuitable for cloven hooved grazers ( read sheep and cows).
One of the few endemic species to have thrived from farming practices has been the kangaroo. There are literally millions and millions of them and the logical answer is to swap kangaroos for traditional meat sources ( cows and sheep) and allow the landscape to recover somewhat. Kangaroo meat is tender, lean, delicious and plentiful, the leather is also top quality.

An educational process was called for, not a PR nightmare.
 
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