James R "Kaffir" is not an insult.

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  1. Bells Staff Member

    I firmly believe that terms such as:

    * budgie-tits
    * rats arse
    * donkeydick
    * budgiebottom
    * bullsdick

    should be banned from this site as they are clearly offensive to budgies, rats, donkeys and bulls!

    Now zeig heil me scrotum!

    Schnell Schnell Schnell!!!!

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  3. Gustav Banned Banned

    screw you
    i am a sri lankan kafir and quite proud of it

    kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir

    fuck yeah!
    hey frag do you believe in god or are you a kafir?

    kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir kafir

    double frak yeah!
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  5. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    The best defense is a good offense

    I blotted out the k-word on review of Fraggle's post: he's got a point, I think. Probably bloody spider crawly-thingies everywhere.

    Slightly misconstrued there; as an example of twisting, your interpretation was well-suited.

    Nope. I think you're being foolish if you think it's so innocuous. Are you offended if I'm offended at being called one? (Apparently, you are.) Can I decide if terms offend me? Am I allowed to think them offensive?

    Unfortunately, there is an entire body of other - as you admit - extremists who like the term, and more importantly the supremacist ideas behind it, quite well.

    No no, let's have some plausible discussion about the issue, since it is you that has introduced it. You claim the term is not offensive, but imply that Chi was defending himself or the like by using it. So, clearly it has negative connotations. Should I be attacked with it, since I have presumably attacked Chi? If the latter, how the former?

    I suppose I should point out that we were all asked not to actually use the term?

    But not the same kind; a not insignificant distinction.

    I see you have not read my post. I will simply repost the response for your purview. Let me know when you've read it.

    Fortunately, I have done so! Fear no longer. Your penchant for forum justice will surely be sated.

    Depends on usage, Bells. As a lawyer, I assume you are familiar with the concept of intent?

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    I appreciate, as I have for some time, that you have little compunction about insulting me: I would go so far as to say that you have little hesitation in assigning negative personality traits to me at opportunity. I suppose I should give your opinion as a human being some value: yet I expect a little more than snide comments from someone in your position. I have given you my honest opinion: you have turned this into personal attack. Should I be surprised, somehow?

    Your protestation that you don't know his predilections is not only believable, but not relevant. His philosophical bent - and, thereby, his meaning, in conjunction with his other comments - is not really in question.

    I'll put you in our prayers.
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  7. Bells Staff Member

    Not at all.

    I don't get offended as easily. Even when I am told I am worse than a whore.

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    Do you?


    A Jew with Muslim style of speaking with Chinese philosophical leanings.

    What a mix!

    And as he put it, it is only offensive if it comes from devout Muslims.


    Which I have reservations about and I have made known to him.

    Hmmm obviously..

    He consumes me in ways you cannot begin to imagine.

    Life.. well.. it's Geoff. Always and only.

    He is so speshual to me that it hurts, quad. Absolutely hurts and kills me. I dream about him, I day dream about him.. All consuming! He is my new God. I shall hug him and worship him and call him George!

    No, I was agreeing that you have a point.

  8. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Scary days.

    Hehe. Well done.

    Gus: I noted this from your post:

    Oh? But I thought it wasn't offensive? Why are Muslim scholars banning its use? Surely they must know, as Bells does, the inoffensive character of the word?


    Other note: Bells and Gus - Frag's might have a point on a moratorium for the word. Probably should refrain from using it.
  9. Gustav Banned Banned

    you too?
    so tell me what you think
    either he has a point or he does not

    sci is a place of nuance, context and sophistication
    try not to dumb the place down as frag is intent on doing
  10. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    I think I just said that I think he has a point. It might be remote, but maybe not. I'd like to see a follow-up, but examples might be hard to come by. One might use the slightly less offensive religious k-word, but would a censor filter discriminate between that and the much more offensive racial k-word? Well, probably not.
  11. Gustav Banned Banned

    censor filter?
    jesus fucking wept!
  12. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    So get Moses to run your boards, then.
  13. Bells Staff Member


    Don't you worry your pretty little head about things that don't concern you.

    I am offended that you are offended!

    You must tell me of who offends you from now on Cherie and I shall smite them with my fast typing!!

    Yes. You are quite right!

    We must rid this forum of all "devout Muslims"!

    At once!

    I am offended that you deem my calling you "my sweet" as not being plausible!

    I demand action at once!

    As I said Cherie, all that matter is that you were offended. And you have a right and reason to be deeply offended. But rest assured, we shall now strive to remove all "devout Muslims" from this forum!

    God forbid I ever, ever share a Thair recipe on this site..


    Because someone who is a Muslim and thus devout can only intend it to mean an insult?

    On the contrary Cherie!

    I think that as a vulnerable person, you need to be protected from devout Muslims who may offend you.

    Very much so.

    I find the very notion of a believer praying for me to be deeply offensive and I request that you cease and desist immediately. If you continue to assail me with your religious beliefs, I will promptly report you.
  14. Gustav Banned Banned

    our board is governed by the laws of frakking canada.
    porf had several choices as to where he would host our server.
    china, egypt, saudi arabia, south africa and canada were on the shortlist

    he went with the last
    go figure
  15. Gustav Banned Banned

    very nice

    just look at us bells
    we are reduced to these childish antics

    god help us all and death to the kafirs
  16. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Devout devotion

    It does, actually. Was this not clear? Also, what's with the insults again?

    Hmm. Good point. Devout is vague, erroneously encompassing liberal reformists and conservative reactionaries alike. Conservative is the correct word. My apologies, and my thanks for pointing out this error.

    For it to come from anyone else and actually be meant as an insult would have to be under very specific circumstances. I'm hard-pressed to think of a situation in which someone other than an Islamic supremacist could use it for a non-Muslim. Since, clearly, you think this is actually quite a likely proposition, perhaps you could outline some scenarios in which it might plausibly occur?

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    And why are Muslim theologians trying to discourage the use of the word? Is it because they don't understand it, as you do?

    Oh? You find this offensive? But...I don't find it offensive, after all. So - to use your own logic, why should you be offended? :shrug:
  17. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    And conceivably blocked by the laws of wherever it happens to be read.
  18. Bells Staff Member

    Where did I insult you?

    You find it insulting to be told you have a pretty head?

    I am so so sorry Geoff. Please do forgive me.

    No, I think your first use of the term, even when I repeated it to you and you did not pick up on it the first time is good enough, don't you?

    They obviously wish to not offend the sensitive people on internet forums.

    But do not fret cherie! We shall deal with these devout Muslims!

    Not at all darling!

    You have just proven that one only has to be offended, even if the term itself is not offensive by its very definition.

    And I feel offended that any believer could pray for me. I feel that you are foisting your beliefs upon me and it is unwanted. I am also offended at your questioning my reasoning for being offended Geoff.
  19. Gustav Banned Banned

    In 2000, the parliament of South African enacted Act No. 4 of 2000: Promotion of Equality and Prevention of Unfair Discrimination Act.[12] that contains the following clause relating to hate speech:

    10. (1) Subject to the proviso in section 12. no person may publish, propagate, advocate or communicate words based on one or more of the prohibited grounds, against any person, that could reasonably be construed to demonstrate a clear intention to -

    (a) be hurtful;
    (b) be harmful or to incite harm;
    (c) promote or propagate hatred.

    Though the Act does not list any specific words, it is generally understood to restrict the use of the words kaffir, koelie, hotnot, meid and other derogatory racial terms.​

    so here is what i want dumbfucksci to do. compile a list of hate speech that occurs in every goddamn nation in this world and make every instance of it a bannable offense. all known languages please

    we have the s.a ones....kaffir, koelie, hotnot, meid

    lets see some of this famed scientific rigor and application present in this most noble of endeavors
  20. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    What, seriously?

    ...sooo: is this it? Are personal attacks and nearly random bleating coupled with violent emotionalism the only trick in your repertoire? I ask only because I don't recall you doing much of anything else recently. Perhaps I'm only seeing you on your off days. But, in a wider perspective, this seems to be what you contribute to the forum: selective rage. I suppose it's funny, if you're not too introspective, but it gets boring after a while.

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    I think you assume that I pay a lot of attention to the nuances of your outrage. I don't. It's not worth it, because it usually just seems to be the same thing. Note the issue: you've left off on what the k-word is about, religiously, and have now moved - probably irrevocably - onto me. Quadra's right: you have some kind of fixation on my comments or on me. As we discuss, it becomes less and less about the issue, and more and more about me.

    Not at all. It's entirely possible for offense to have a legitimate basis. I don't like the k-word, because it's meant as offensive, as Muslim theologians seem to feel (see gustav's post above). You don't like people praying for you, because...you hate [some] theism or theists, even the innocuous kind?

    Interesting. How would my actions - independent of you - be "foisting"? What's the connection between them and you? Am I assigning you negative values? Impugning your character? In what way would it damage you? Surely it wouldn't shake your belief system. Or does this derive from an issue you have with me, personally?
  21. GeoffP Caput gerat lupinum Valued Senior Member

    Kind of a wide net for a specific offense. Probably deserves its own thread.
  22. Bells Staff Member

    You must please forgive me if I offended you. I promise to strive to make you the shining star that you are on this forum and will endeavour to protect you from all harm on this forum because you have shown yourself to be so vulnerable and in dire need of protection from devout Muslims.

    But this is all about you!

    You were offended and so were unknown others it seems. But you were offended..

    Sensitive and vulnerable Geoff.

    Do not worry Cherie. It is now our mission to protect you from insult from devout Muslims on this site. Rest assured, I shall smite them with my typing!

    Then say no more!

    It is enough that you felt offended. No matter the term precious! You felt offended and that is enough.

    I do not want you to waste your obviously precious time praying for lil old me.

    You are praying for me and telling me about it, and thus, foisting your beliefs upon me.

    I find your religion to be a tad offensive, what it being led by protectors of kiddy fiddlers and the like.

    So please cherie, do not worry about spending any of your time praying for me. We must concentrate our time and effort in removing all devout Muslims from this site because they offend you or could offend you!

    You MUST be protected at all cost!
  23. Gustav Banned Banned

    i characterize it as a logical extension of frag's argument
    i mean we are considering a potential liability
    why half ass something that has dumbfucksci pissing in their pants?
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