Israel as home for the Jews
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it hasn't. palestine is not the homeland of jews any more than it is the homeland of christians. religions do not have homelands. it was the homeland of the ancient hebrews but they haven't existed for thousands of years.
and I hope you used the term Israel to refer to the state because refering to the area in general as Israel is anchronistic, ahistorical, and is generally used to erase the true history of the region
Would you enlighten me with the true history of the region ..please
Why did it have to take 1000 years for the citizens of the United States to have their homeland? Probably for the same reason. The people already living there didn't want to leave.
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that the region and other native peoples than the ancient hebrews and that quite frankly the jews played a rather minor role in the history of the area.
I asked you to give me some detail of what you know , but you are just waving hands , that does not help for discussion .
Should I believe 1000 years BC what is written in the bible ?
Should I believe the Gaza strip wad Philistine, an they come from Minos
Should I believe the northern coast part was Phonesia
After we discus this part the we can go forward.
Why did it have to take 1000 years for the citizens of the United States to have their homeland? Probably for the same reason. The people already living there didn't want to leave.
Tell me which American you refer to .
And tell me who are the Palestinian from were did they come from ? How old is the Palestinian state ?
Was there any war with the Palestinian or was there a war with Trans Jordan ?
The so called Palestinian were they called TransJordanian ?
I don't know , I just know what I read.
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keith1
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Left to their own devices, the indigs always fight each other first. Over-population strains on tribal regions were prevalent, are prevalent, and will be prevalent, until mankind increases it's range. This is the basic premise of space colonization.
The migrating Spanish and those immigrations from the land of Ur have this in common:
They all took orders from deities concocted from the minds of cave-monks smoking crack.
The migrating Spanish and those immigrations from the land of Ur have this in common:
They all took orders from deities concocted from the minds of cave-monks smoking crack.
spidergoat
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They were waiting for Stalin and Hitler.
The circumstances involving this region in the Middle East is that Jews and Muslims consider some land as sacred. Normally sacred land does not present any problems; however, both religions consider Jerusalem as their sacred land, specifically the same small location within Jerusalem called the Temple Mount (by Jews) and the Noble Sanctuary (by Muslims). In fact, Muslims lay claim to several sacred sites, including (in order of importance): #1 –Mecca, #2 –Medina, and #3 – Jerusalem.
This is unlike Christianity, especially modern Christianity, which does not ordinarily consider any land as sacred. So for example, American Indians generally consider their burial grounds as sacred, and don't want them disturbed. European Americans have few qualms about digging up cemeteries to build highways or to develop as real estate (not that they do it all the time, but occasionally).
This is unlike Christianity, especially modern Christianity, which does not ordinarily consider any land as sacred. So for example, American Indians generally consider their burial grounds as sacred, and don't want them disturbed. European Americans have few qualms about digging up cemeteries to build highways or to develop as real estate (not that they do it all the time, but occasionally).
So let those places on the top in Jerusalem be holy so the Western wall is holy . What about the rest of the territory, that is not a shrine
Land ownership is a strange animal we invented. Actually Indians in North America did not invent this yet - only "Territory" or "range".
Basically It's not their home. If you go far enough back in time the Hebrews actually performed a Genocide (by their own Bible account and others) upon the indigenous population. Yeshwa makes Hitler look like a fucking saint.
Then they lost their "home land" numerous times to numerous empires and people, until they got removed from it(also the initial plan Hitler had for Jews in Europe - removal, with the occasional mass killing, until he started to lose the war).
Then Zionists managed to finally convince the west to "gift" them this land. Which they actually had to fight for. Basically the land is for whomever can hold it.
Basically It's not their home. If you go far enough back in time the Hebrews actually performed a Genocide (by their own Bible account and others) upon the indigenous population. Yeshwa makes Hitler look like a fucking saint.
Then they lost their "home land" numerous times to numerous empires and people, until they got removed from it(also the initial plan Hitler had for Jews in Europe - removal, with the occasional mass killing, until he started to lose the war).
Then Zionists managed to finally convince the west to "gift" them this land. Which they actually had to fight for. Basically the land is for whomever can hold it.
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typical claim of your sort you demand the impossible so you can feel like you one. you really want me to try and condence thousands of years of non jewish history of paletine into a easily understood message?
well how about for starters that arab( well proto arab) people existed in palestine for as long as the jewish faith?
that the idea of muslim conquests of the holy land was islam displacing the natives and bringing in arabs from the south is bs it was arabs conqueroring other arabs.
that the ancient kingdom of Israel was a tiny minor player in the region and land wise was half the size of what was stolen in palestine today and it didn't even include JErusalem. that right Jerusalem was never the capital of Israel until the modern illegal state tried to make it do.
They got distracted by all the other places they lived in? Also, the location of the temple kept jumping around a bit. They only figured out where it should be fairly recently.
And they still have to work past the fact that much of what they think happened, never actually happened
Distracted yes , the purpose is to make a living, no one wants to move unless is forced , so they were forced to move , many of us who are not Jews are in the move , and we move the closest place from were we are. And beside we don't want to loose our possession. What happen after the WW2 many lost their possession and got tired pushed around and been discriminated they derided to move to the land of their antiquity, what supposedly God promised them as their homeland . I suppose when they started to move in big wave in 1945-1947 if the local in TransJordania would not fight them , less of them would have moved in . Because of War then a large displacement of Palestinian have taken place.
well Stalin was bad for every body , the problem Jews in Russia wanted to have equal right as citizen so the associated with the Communists , and Hitler did not care for communists because the communists wanted to influence his Nazi party in Germany so he put Jews under control an remove their influence . And so it went .
In my opinion Hitler was stupid to use all the resources to fight and remove the Jews , he could have used the resource an the man power for other projects
spidergoat
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He did use the Jews for slave labor.