Israel and Hamas have signed off on 1st phase of peace plan?

[Pinball1970]

Israeli bodies are still being returned but there was an attack by an Israeli tank on a Palestinian family, 11 dead.
A threat of an attack by Hamas (denied)

Note some of the country guarantors.

Gaza ceasefire: US says Hamas is planning 'imminent' attack on civilians

The US state department says the move would be a violation of the ceasefire deal, but did not give further details.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Pinball1970]

Very fragile.

Gaza: Deadly flare-up tests Israel-Hamas ceasefire

The deadliest day of attacks since the truce took effect on 10 October raises questions as to whether it will last.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[TheVat]

Why would BB want the war to end? If it ends, he faces potential indictments on two fronts. There's his long-running corruption trial in Israel, plus international arrest warrants for alleged war crimes in Gaza. The war was the primary reason for his trial delays in Israel. Seems to me a conviction is likely on at least one of those fronts.

 

[TheVat]

Laughing at the Israel media now referring to the nonstop parade of American officials visiting to ensure Israel holds up its side of the fragile ceasefire as "Bibi-sitting." Getting the Knesset to advance a resolution on WB annexation seems like another way the Bibi is trying to reignite the war and keep himself out of the courtroom. Vance said some very stern words about the resolution today. Cause JD really cares.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Laughing at the Israel media now referring to the nonstop parade of American officials visiting to ensure Israel holds up its side of the fragile ceasefire as "Bibi-sitting." Getting the Knesset to advance a resolution on WB annexation seems like another way the Bibi is trying to reignite the war and keep himself out of the courtroom. Vance said some very stern words about the resolution today. Cause JD really care

It's not Bibi trying to advance the resolution but the far right coalition partners.
And if you don't think Vance is sincere, why should anyone think you are.

 

[TheVat]

It's not Bibi trying to advance the resolution but the far right coalition partners.
And if you don't think Vance is sincere, why should anyone think you are.

Bibi wants us to think that. "Ain't me, it's those wacky far right folks!" Sorta the way Trump used to say, "Project 2025? Whazzat? Nothing to do with me!" (And then he appointed P25 guys to his Cabinet, and started openly implementing P25 goals)

And if you don't think Vance is sincere, why should anyone think you are.

Because I haven't spent recent years flip-flopping on my views and political affiliations and lying about Haitian immigrants and the 2020 election so as to support Trump. Also, we're in a forum about politicians - when a member critiques a politician, the topic is that politician's actions, words, and character, not the member. Address the topic, refrain from ad hominems.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Bibi wants us to think that. "Ain't me, it's those wacky far right folks!" Sorta the way Trump used to say, "Project 2025? Whazzat? Nothing to do with me!" (And then he appointed P25 guys to his Cabinet, and started openly implementing P25 goals)

So, anybody you don't like or agree with is always a liar?

Because I haven't spent recent years flip-flopping on my views and political affiliations and lying about Haitian immigrants and the 2020 election so as to support Trump. Also, we're in a forum about politicians - when a member critiques a politician, the topic is that politician's actions, words, and character, not the member. Address the topic, refrain from ad hominems.

So, anyone you don't like or agree with is always insincere?

 

[TheVat]

So, anybody you don't like or agree with is always a liar?

So, anyone you don't like or agree with is always insincere?

TBH, you are starting to seem unwell. And obviously, no to both "questions."

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

TBH, you are starting to seem unwell. And obviously, no to both "questions."

You are the unwell ones. You and the world you have created.

 

[Killjoy]

And if you don't think Vance is sincere, why should anyone think you are.

You said "Just Dance" Vance and sincere...
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee...!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was he sincere when he compared Trump to Hitler ?

I'll give him props for knowing that to get ahead in Trump world, you gotta suck it up and smooch His Infernal Majesty's bloated buttocks like you damn well mean it - 'cos he does it like a real cham-peen !

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

You said "Just Dance" Vance and sincere...
Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee hee...!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Was he sincere when he compared Trump to Hitler ?

I'll give him props for knowing that to get ahead in Trump world, you gotta suck it up and smooch His Infernal Majesty's bloated buttocks like you damn well mean it - 'cos he does it like a real cham-peen !

Typical one-sided reply. Peoples views change, often radically and over short periods of time, depending on their observations and experiences.

 

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Typical one-sided reply. Peoples views change, often radically and over short periods of time, depending on their observations and experiences.

Yes, you Conservatives have radically changed into fascists, many into nazis. This, from your "observations and experiences" listening to Trump.

You are the unwell ones. You and the world you have created.

Not sure how you fascists are so amiable with the world you're creating, one with no freedoms, no liberty, no choices, all in the name of one mans ego, who is robbing America blind and destroying everything he touches. Somehow, this makes you the well one?

 

[Tiassa]

While it is easy to suggest there never really was much of a cease-fire in effect, it is officially over.

 

[Killjoy]

While it is easy to suggest there never really was much of a cease-fire in effect, it is officially over.

Yep.

"Kosher Pickles" incoming any time now...

Netanyahu orders ‘powerful’ strikes in Gaza, as Israel accuses Hamas of violating ceasefire and staging hostage discovery

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Tuesday ordered the Israeli military to carry out “immediate, powerful” strikes in Gaza after Israel accused Hamas of violating the US-brokered ceasefire deal and staging the discovery of a deceased hostage.

“At the conclusion of the security consultations, Prime Minister Netanyahu instructed the military echelon to carry out immediate, powerful strikes in the Gaza Strip,” the office of the Prime Minister said in a short statement. The US was notified of the decision to carry out strikes in Gaza, a US official told CNN.






A military official said Hamas had attacked Israeli troops east of the so-called yellow line, which separates Israeli-occupied Gaza from the remainder of the territory.

Defense Minister Israel Katz said Hamas would pay a “heavy price” for the attack on Israel Defense Forces (IDF) soldiers and vowed that Israel would respond “with great force.”

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

You didn't expect the cease fire to last while armed Hamas still existed, did you?

 

[Killjoy]

First there is a ceasefire,
Then there is no ceasefire,
Then there is...


Israel’s military says ceasefire is back on as death toll from overnight strikes in Gaza reaches 104

DEIR AL-BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Israel’s military said Wednesday that the ceasefire was back on in Gaza after it carried out heavy airstrikes overnight across the Palestinian territory that killed 104 people, including 46 children, according to local health officials.

The strikes — the deadliest since the ceasefire began on Oct. 10 — marked the most serious challenge to the tenuous truce to date.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said he had ordered the strikes after accusing Hamas of violating the ceasefire for handing over body parts this week that Israel said were partial remains of a hostage recovered earlier in the war. That was compounded by the shooting and killing an Israeli soldier during an exchange of gunfire in Rafah, the southernmost city in Gaza.

 

[Tiassa]

First there is a ceasefire,
Then there is no ceasefire,
Then there is...

Oh, I understand. Every once in a while, people tell me to never talk to them again, and a little while later they want me to talk to them, and they just go back and forth like that over and over again because they just want to be in charge of something.

In discussion board form, it's childish. In actual warfare, it's just plain bloodthirsty.

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You didn't expect the cease fire to last while armed Hamas still existed, did you?

Nobody really expecs an Israeli ceasefire to last as long as even one Muslim exists in Palestine. And then, tomorrow, the world.

Genocide is just what Israelis do; it's the most consistent cultural expression of modern Israel.

 

[Pinball1970]

While it is easy to suggest there never really was much of a cease-fire in effect, it is officially over.

And it's back. Fragile but back.

 

[Pinball1970]

, people tell me to never talk to them again, and a little while later they want me to talk to them, and they just go back and forth like that over and over again because they just want to be in charge of something.

Mm. Well I certainly fall into that category and at the moment I am willing to keep talks open.
I have enough somethings in my life to be in charge of so I do not need anymore really.
I post here for normal reasons.

 

[TheVat]

Nobody really expecs an Israeli ceasefire to last as long as even one Muslim exists in Palestine. And then, tomorrow, the world.

Genocide is just what Israelis do; it's the most consistent cultural expression of modern Israel.

I didn't expect much beyond a few token gestures and attempts at optics polishing by Israel. So long as Israel is controlled by the approx 25% of their population who are militant Zionists and mostly ultraorthodox, it will be all about grabbing the entire West Bank and possibly, as you speculate, "Morgen, die Welt!"
For one thing, it keeps Bibi out of the courtroom, national emergency and all that. I personally don't see Israel really becoming some holy Jewish empire across the Middle East, but I wouldn't be surprised if they take all of Palestine and cover Gaza with condos. I think the general and growing alignment of nations against this militant ethnic cleansing might put the brakes on, but it's not a certain thing.