Israel and Hamas have signed off on 1st phase of peace plan?

We can look to the good Friday agreement and Dayton agreement of the 1990s as inspiration for a solution to the conflict.
 
C C said:
The next cycle can't start until Gaza is rebuilt. And this round can't be extended indefinitely. In a century when a demographic crisis looms for most countries, Israel doesn't have the population to keep wasting the lives of its military youth on a revenge agenda (1,152 Israeli forces killed). Both sides need time to grow a new generation of crops to reap. Whether they like it or not, if this plan doesn't provide a well-extended breather, then there has to be another attempt pretty soon. The sun has to set on this era in order for renewal and a promising, future "day" of revived destruction and bloodshed.
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I agree, but the enmity runs deep on both sides.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Gaza is not Iraq. Palestinians are not Iraqis.
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No but a status quo can be reached in what look like impossible circumstances to begin with.
Perhaps Palestine will never achieve this?
Perhaps the Palestinians have had enough of being dragged into conflict?
International collaborative measures can achieve anything, the rebuilding post WW2 springs to mind. Depends if the people are sick enough of war and want change or want revenge.
Hopefully the former.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
It's a necessary first step.
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Sure. The rest of my post wasn't just pessimism, it was just an attempt to state the thorny problems ahead of them, so long as their actual peace process is beset with clan/faction street war. (which Israel has deviously made worse) If by some miracle all those groups can agree to stand down and let a real Palestinian governing body emerge, then there is certainly hope. What makes this all so difficult is that it's much harder to get hungry and unsheltered people to engage in Big Picture thinking, so hardcore aid will need to get in there fast and get people fed and with decent shelter and safe water and so on. People with some security in their lives are a little less impulsive about shooting first, asking questions later. OTOH, people in extreme situations are also quite good at pulling together and overlooking differences, so that weighs in, too.
 
Pinball1970 said:
No but a status quo can be reached in what look like impossible circumstances to begin with.
Perhaps Palestine will never achieve this?
Perhaps the Palestinians have had enough of being dragged into conflict?
International collaborative measures can achieve anything, the rebuilding post WW2 springs to mind. Depends if the people are sick enough of war and want change or want revenge.
Hopefully the former.
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Hopeful optimism is good, but the reality of that area of the world would put the odds against it.
 
TheVat said:
Sure. The rest of my post wasn't just pessimism, it was just an attempt to state the thorny problems ahead of them, so long as their actual peace process is beset with clan/faction street war. (which Israel has deviously made worse) If by some miracle all those groups can agree to stand down and let a real Palestinian governing body emerge, then there is certainly hope. What makes this all so difficult is that it's much harder to get hungry and unsheltered people to engage in Big Picture thinking, so hardcore aid will need to get in there fast and get people fed and with decent shelter and safe water and so on. People with some security in their lives are a little less impulsive about shooting first, asking questions later. OTOH, people in extreme situations are also quite good at pulling together and overlooking differences, so that weighs in, too.
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It seems somewhat like a family quarrel. Two brothers want the inheritance and neither wants to share now, if they ever did.
 
Forget Trump.

Ceasefire, hostages and prisoners swapping, aid is getting into the people who need it.

They need to get skilled European teams into areas to retrieve Israeli bodies, earth quake specialists.

Open more corridors for aid.

The in fighting may have to either play or be quashed, I don't know enough about the clans and gangs.
That will hinder progress.
 
I am not a starry eyed optimist, I am a pragmatist. This cease fire is fragile and a few dead bodies not returned, could ruin it. Agreed.
A lot of things could ruin it.
Despite that, with enough money and international involvement a rebuild can happen.
The first steps towards that are happening, take the small w!
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Gaza is not Iraq. Palestinians are not Iraqis.
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One last thing, I do not know the collective mind of the Palestinians, do they hate the Israelis right now or do they just want it to end?
Those two are not mutually exclusive you might say and I agree and that's my point.
No one is expecting a change of ideology or any sort of human reconciliation.
How about a hate filled, forced, uncomfortable middle ground? Set by other governments in different countries?
Either that or continue the war?
What a shit choice, the point is one isn't war and one thing we learned from Northern Ireland is people die and take there anger and resentment with them.
Children growing up in Ireland today are not less passionate or less nationalistic than their grandparents, they just were born after the troubles so have not experienced it.
They are approaching 30 and their kids are further removed again, the troubles are not memories, it is history.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Without intimidation from jihadists? You're dreaming.
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Wizard of Whatever said:
Hopeful optimism is good, but the reality of that area of the world would put the odds against it.
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Depends on how effective the "international body" of GITA would actually be in terms of propping-up the return of the Palestinian Authority to Gaza. The latter lost control to Hamas in the 2006 election, so it's not a good track record.

And the Arab Spring was a failure (particularly in Egypt) because Middle Eastern voters tend to go populist and choose Islamic fundamentalist parties. Hard to say which direction the traumatized population of Gaza would go -- when you're psychologically disoriented, anything could happen. They need a tyrannical tenet that prevents the population from voting anti-Zionist parties into power.

The real kicker here is the very idea that Gazans (in large numbers) would now have the option to emigrate elsewhere, when they have been deliberately bottled up for so long. The covert reason neighboring Arab countries have not wanted Palestinians is due to fear of terrorists coming along with them and setting up shop on their own turf. Leading to bad relations with Israel (the latter intruding on and making air strikes, much as with Lebanon).

Going back to the Palestinian Authority, even their civil administration of the West Bank is compromised by Israel's regulating presence via the pervasive Jewish settlements. So it's not accustomed to having full independent decision-making. But Gaza would at least now give the PA a contiguous landscape base to assert itself and learn how to walk again, which it lacks in the West Bank.
  • Phase 3: governance and reconstruction: A transitional administration, led by Palestinian technocrats and supervised by an international body, is planned to be established in phase 3 to manage day-to-day governance and oversee the rehabilitation of infrastructure. Humanitarian aid is to be delivered without interference, with international organizations such as the United Nations and the Red Crescent overseeing its distribution to ensure fairness and efficiency. Additionally, efforts are planned to encourage Palestinians to remain in Gaza, offering support to those choosing to stay and rebuild their communities.

    Multi-national body: The Gaza International Transitional Authority (GITA) is a body proposed in September 2025 to administer the Gaza Strip in the aftermath of the Gaza war. Under the proposal, the administration of the Gaza Strip is to be turned over to a reformed Palestinian Authority following the transitional period. The authority would be supported by an Arab-led multinational peacekeeping force and its deployment would result in a phased withdrawal of the Israeli armed forces from most of the Gaza Strip.
 
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