Israel and Hamas have signed off on 1st phase of peace plan?

Never thought we'd see the day. I expected the conflict would only end when there was nothing left for Israel to obliterate.
 
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Never thought we'd see the day. I expected the conflict would only end when there was nothing left for Israel to obliterate.
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And the snout of the sand squirmer seemingly glimpsed out of nowhere last week. Albeit, after Trump's impotent dance with Putin, many simply stopped bothering to follow any other raucous futility in the peacemaking sector. Especially given all the times Netanyahu flipped his nose at the US, like striking Qatar without bothering to get an okay.

(video link) What's in Gaza peace plan first phase, and what's not?
 
It's all theatre, BB needs to keep the war going or face criminal charges, he'll keep it going.
 
More importantly, surely, is that Trump has finally managed to do something that the Nobel Peace Price Committee can actually put in his "+" column? And now, when he doesn't get given the award on Friday, he will complain even more bitterly. "But I ended the Israel / Hamas conflict... after Israel all but eradicated the Palestinian presence from the territory!)"

Anyhoo - they say peace plans are best kept simple... so Trump rolls out a 20-point plan!

I hope the area can find peace somehow, but I can't see anything lasting too long.
 
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I hope the area can find peace somehow, but I can't see anything lasting too long.
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He can have the Peace Prize next year, maybe. You know, if this is any real plan and not just another insincere colonialist stunt.
 
But, with respect to the below, can Bibi really maintain that level of fear-based rationality throughout this process? Successfully hold off the personal impulse demon that wants to break things?
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VIDEO EXCERPTS: Dan? [Dan Turrentine]

Well [...] this is where being a little bit of an uncontrollable bully is playing to Trump's advantage. I think for the first time in my life, Netanyahu is a little afraid of pissing off a US president.

[...] I think he sees that he's losing support in this country ... he knows that if he pisses Trump off and Trump truly does kind of say ... "Good luck". The world's going to keep condemning you. The French and everyone are going to recognize your opponents. You have no friends. You're going to win the battle and lose the war.

[...Halperin...] I will say again, Trump's move on Ukraine where he said, "I think you guys can win. Good luck to you in Europe." Was initially read as he's supporting Ukraine and thinks they can win. And of course, now everybody realizes we've washed our hands of this. Good luck. Good luck in your senior year. [I.e., Europe is still buying Russian oil & gas, but it is a significantly lower amount.]

And I think that has a carryover to Israel where Netanyahu, as Dan just suggested, realizes Trump could walk away [as with Europe/Ukraine] and say I'm done spending time on this. And that would leave Israel very isolated under the circumstances...

“For the first time in my life, Bibi is afraid of pissing off a U.S. president”
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Israeli gov't. has ratified the ceasefire:

My News Israeli cabinet ratifies Gaza ceasefire and hostage deal with Hamas

JERUSALEM/CAIRO, Oct 10 (Reuters) - Israel's government ratified a ceasefire with the Palestinian militant group Hamas on Friday, clearing the way to suspend hostilities in Gaza within 24 hours and free Israeli hostages held there within 72 hours after that.

The Israeli cabinet approved the deal early Friday morning, roughly 24 hours after mediators announced the agreement, which calls for the release of Israeli hostages in exchange for Palestinian prisoners and the start of a phased withdrawal of Israeli troops from Gaza under U.S. President Donald Trump's initiative to end the two-year war in Gaza.
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Sarkus said:
More importantly, surely, is that Trump has finally managed to do something that the Nobel Peace Price Committee can actually put in his "+" column? And now, when he doesn't get given the award on Friday, he will complain even more bitterly. "But I ended the Israel / Hamas conflict... after Israel all but eradicated the Palestinian presence from the territory!)"

Anyhoo - they say peace plans are best kept simple... so Trump rolls out a 20-point plan!

I hope the area can find peace somehow, but I can't see anything lasting too long.
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I'd wager the thing falls apart when they get around to the bit about disarming Hamas.

For some reason I'm reminded of a bit of an old tune which, IIRC, was popular with the Provisional IRA:
No semtex, not our guns
Will you ever get from us
You can stick your decommission up your ass.

We shall see, I guess.
 
Possibly Israel only withdrawing from 53% of Gaza might also become irritating after a while.

Count me among those who have trouble imagining the NPP people in Oslo saying, "hey, he bullied people, including threats of complete ethnic cleansing of Gaza - what a great way to forge lasting peace! Let's give him the prize next year! Hooray for narcissistic bullying thugs, for they are born peacemakers!"
 
"Once You Pop, You Just Can't Stop!"

Did Israel Attack Gaza After Ceasefire? What To Know


Israeli warplanes launched airstrikes on southern Gaza early Friday morning, hours after a ceasefire between Hamas and Israel was meant to come into effect to end hostilities in the two-year war, it has been reported.

CNN and the BBC were among outlets that reported strikes on the center of Khan Younis around 5.45 a.m. local time, with people near the Netzarim corridor also describing hearing artillery shelling and gunfire.

Eyewitnesses also described airstrikes and artillery shelling in Gaza City on Friday morning, especially in the neighborhoods of Al-Sabra and Tal Al-Hawa, CNN reported.

A video published by Reuters showed a flash over the sky in Gaza at 5:55 a.m., followed by the sound of an explosion and a black plume of smoke. Newsweek could not independently verify the reports or video.

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The Times Of Israel reported that under the cover of artillery shelling and airstrikes in some areas, the IDF had started to withdraw troops in the Gaza Strip to agreed-upon deployment lines as part of the deal with Hamas. It is not clear whether this explains the reports of shelling and air strikes on Friday morning.
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Holding...

Trump says hostages being retrieved ‘now’ as aid trucks start entering Gaza

• Tens of thousands of Palestinians are returning home in Gaza as a ceasefire between Israel and Hamas entered a second day. Many found only ruins while local authorities say scores of bodies have been pulled from rubble. Some aid has begun entering the territory under the terms of the agreement.

• Israelis are expected to rally later as families of hostages held in Gaza await the return of their loved ones. The countdown for the release of hostages held by Hamas has begun and a source said it could come as early as overnight Sunday into Monday local time. Nearly 2,000 Palestinian prisoners and detainees in Israel will also be freed.

• US President Donald Trump, who will be in the region Monday, said yesterday hostages are being retrieved “now” and thinks the ceasefire will hold because countries involved in and affected by the conflict are “all tired of the fighting.”
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Never expected an international body -- even a small number of US troops -- to finally risk getting involved in this intermittently eternal mêlée.
  • Last living hostages and Palestinian prisoners are released as part of ceasefire in Gaza
    https://apnews.com/article/gaza-isr...e-10-13-2025-9e4921406e846189c90144609c1a9530

    EXCERPTS: All 20 remaining living hostages held in Gaza and hundreds of Palestinian prisoners held by Israel walked free Monday as part of a ceasefire pausing two years of war that decimated the Gaza Strip and killed tens of thousands of Palestinians.

    Hamas said Monday it will release the bodies of four of 28 deceased Israeli captives, though it was not immediately clear when the rest would be sent back to Israel. Israel said it has released more than 1,900 Palestinian prisoners as part of the Gaza ceasefire deal.

    Speaking to parliament, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared he was “committed to this peace,” raising hopes that the ruinous war, which triggered other conflicts in the Middle East, might come to an end. But fundamental questions remain over when and how, whether Hamas will disarm and who will govern Gaza.

    [...] "The future governance of Gaza also remains unclear. Under the U.S. plan, an international body will govern the territory, overseeing Palestinian technocrats running day-to-day affairs. Hamas has said Gaza’s government should be worked out among Palestinians." (MORE - details)
Not necessarily bitter news for pro-Palestinian protests, if it's arguably an overarching anti-Zionism spirit now driving the movement more than whatever current developments of a particular year. And the non-contiguous West Bank that's muddled-up with dividing patches of Jewish settlers can never be a fully functional part of any Palestinian state arising in Gaza. So there's that as reliable food for demonstrations.
  • Tens of thousands attend pro-Palestinian march in London (2 days ago)
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewnwgnqj2qo

    EXCERPT: The director of Palestine Solidarity Campaign, one of the groups involved in the action, said it would "never stop" supporting Palestinians. Ben Jamal said Israel was "capable of breaking the ceasefire at any time" and that the ceasefire plan did "nothing to address the root causes" of the conflict. At the rally, speakers referred to the US-brokered ceasefire as a positive but "precarious" development - adding they would not stop protesting until Palestinians were fully free.
 
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Here We Go, Here We Go, Here We Go ....

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Way Back When: Donald Trump greets the Republican Jewish Coalition, December, 2015.​

The twitscale summary, per Brian Allen↱:

BREAKING: Ceasefire unravels in real time.

- Trump says Hamas will still patrol Gaza
- Hamas says it won't disarm
- Israel vows to resume strikes the moment hostages are freed

They're calling this “Phase 1,” but it's not peace.

It's an intermission before the next airstrike.​

And that was last night, before Trump arrived in Israel to sign the ceasefire agreement.

What's really weird, here, is the degree to which it feels like Hamas just played Trump. Hamas gets the credibility of good faith; Trump and Bibi, the U.S. and Israel, get the credibility of being untrustworthy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1977605071874715739
 
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And the non-contiguous West Bank that's muddled-up with dividing patches of Jewish settlers can never be a fully functional part of any Palestinian state arising in Gaza. So there's that as reliable food for demonstrations.
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A Palestinian state, especially if it means return of WB land stolen by Jewish settlers, will always be a nonstarter for Bibi. So yeah the "peace" seems more like a brief lull in the ongoing strife. As long as Israel is under RW control, the underlying policy will be lebensraum for the ultraorthodox and their families averaging 6.7 children or whatever the current Malthusian nightmare is up to.
 
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A Palestinian state, especially if it means return of WB land stolen by Jewish settlers, will always be a nonstarter for Bibi.
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Two things to remember, here:

• The genocide against Gaza has been the intention of the Israeli people and government at least since Rabin was assassinated.

• The underlying philosemitic pretense of American and British policy in Israel intends the destruction of Jews and Judaism.​
 
Looks like the "live" hostages have been returned. Israel are demanding the return of 28 bodies, looks Hamas may not be able to do that as they are not sure where they are.

Not that surprising, tough to keep track of dead bodies in a place like that.
 
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