Isn't Globalism Just Great!

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AUSSIEABORIGINAL

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http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/chinas-toxic-sky/100449/
(31 incredible images of massive pollution in China in just the past week)

The next time someone harrasses me about my cigarettes, I'm going to send them this link. Even the worst smoke-filled room I've ever been in has never been this bad:
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A power station smokestack, near the central business district during severe pollution in Beijing, on January 18, 2013. (Feng Li/Getty Images)

This one reminds me of a scene from the old "Blade Runner" movie:
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This combination of photos shows the Beijing skyline during severe pollution on January 14, 2013, and the same view taken during clear weather on February 4, 2012.(Ed Jones/AFP/Getty Images)


I heard (or read) somewhere that the jet stream currents from China are dumping much of their pollution right here in the U.S.A. They are quite literally poisoning themselves to death.

Meanwhile, our clean coal fired electric plants over here are being shut down and moved into Mexico, where the inspections/regulations are nonexistent, and big corporations (General Electric~the former sugar-daddy of NBC) are making billions from their mexican coal fired electric plants. All thanks to our glorious leader(s) in Washington D.C.

(..and of course our bestest globalist friends who are running the One World Government Scam).


http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/01/chinas-toxic-sky/100449/
(31 incredible images of massive pollution in China in just the past week)


I love the masks:
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A couple wearing protective masks poses for a self portrait in thick haze on Tiananmen Square in Beijing, on January 29, 2013. (AP Photo/Ng Han Guan)
 
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AUSSIEABORIGINAL said:
Meanwhile, our clean coal fired electric plants over here are being shut down and moved into Mexico
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?? Coal generates half our power. The only plants that are being shut down are the oldest plants that can no longer meet EPA requirements.

All thanks to our glorious leader(s) in Washington D.C.
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Since air and water in the US is between 50% and 95% cleaner than it was in 1970, they are doing a pretty good job.
 
?? Coal generates half our power. The only plants that are being shut down are the oldest plants that can no longer meet EPA requirements.
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Seems like I heard just this past week that plants in Texas, which were the most up-to-date modern designs, were ready to be activated, but instead have been shut down before they even opened. I'm not sure that there are even any of those "oldest plants" left anywhere operating anywhere inside the U.S.A.

Mexican regulations for the coal fired plants are better?

Also, "clean coal" plants have been running for around 30 years+ in the U.S.A., with the only pollutants being water vapor and C02. The only exhaust you may have ever seen coming from a coal smokestack in the U.S.A. was only water vapor and C02. The industry has long been able to scrub the C02 from the exhaust, but the government has refused to allow them to do it. All the other pollutants have long been removed from the smokestack exhaust.


Since air and water in the US is between 50% and 95% cleaner than it was in 1970, they are doing a pretty good job.
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The air is cleaner, but with natural gas fracking, the underground fresh water wells all over the U.S.A. have been heavily contaminated to the point that many families with water wells can't use them. The wells have been ruined by the natural gas mafia, while their government puppets have intentionally looked in the opposite direction.
 
AUSSIEABORIGINAL said:
Seems like I heard just this past week that plants in Texas, which were the most up-to-date modern designs, were ready to be activated, but instead have been shut down before they even opened.
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Are you talking about the proposed Las Brisas plant? If so 1) it's not a coal plant, it would run on oil (specifically petroleum coke) 2) they haven't even started building it yet and 3) the utility decided to not proceed with it.

Overall, several utilities have given up on coal power plants recently, primarily because natural gas is so much cheaper.

I'm not sure that there are even any of those "oldest plants" left anywhere operating anywhere inside the U.S.A.
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There are plants built in the 1940's that are still operating.

Mexican regulations for the coal fired plants are better?
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They're terrible.

Also, "clean coal" plants have been running for around 30 years+ in the U.S.A., with the only pollutants being water vapor and C02.
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That's a lie. Coal contains mercury, arsenic, cadmium, uranium, thorium etc. Those pollutants don't "disappear." They end up in fly and bottom ash. Good plants can filter these, and only release a few pounds of mercury, uranium, thorium, arsenic etc a year into the air - but no scrubber is 100% efficient, so some is still released.

And the toxins that are captured still have to go somewhere. The resulting slurry goes in landfills - which means it eventually leaches back into water supplies. (Or worse, destroys a town when the slurry dam breaks.)

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Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill
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The TVA Kingston Fossil Plant coal fly ash slurry spill occurred just before 1 a.m. on Monday December 22, 2008, when an ash dike ruptured at an 84-acre (0.34 km2) solid waste containment area at the Tennessee Valley Authority's Kingston Fossil Plant in Roane County, Tennessee, USA. 1.1 billion US gallons (4,200,000 m3) of coal fly ash slurry was released. The coal-fired power plant, located across the Clinch River from the city of Kingston, uses ponds to dewater the fly ash, a byproduct of coal combustion, which is then stored in wet form in dredge cells. The slurry (a mixture of fly ash and water) traveled across the Emory River and its Swan Pond embayment, on to the opposite shore, covering up to 300 acres (1.2 km2) of the surrounding land, damaging homes and flowing up and down stream in nearby waterways such as the Emory River and Clinch River (tributaries of the Tennessee River). It was the largest fly ash release in United States history.
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The only exhaust you may have ever seen coming from a coal smokestack in the U.S.A. was only water vapor and C02.
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Completely incorrect. We release tons of mercury, arsenic, thorium etc a year via those smokestacks.

The industry has long been able to scrub the C02 from the exhaust, but the government has refused to allow them to do it.
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Given that the government is spending millions to try to encourage plants to do this, that's another lie.

The air is cleaner, but with natural gas fracking, the underground fresh water wells all over the U.S.A. have been heavily contaminated to the point that many families with water wells can't use them. The wells have been ruined by the natural gas mafia, while their government puppets have intentionally looked in the opposite direction.
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Yep, fracking has problems too.

Now count the number of streams destroyed (not just contaminated, but destroyed) by mountaintop removal, a common mining technique used to mine coal.
 
billvon said:
?? Coal generates half our power.
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Not any more it doesn't. Due to the natural gas revolution, it is down to something like 35%. That's also part of the reason why coals plants are being shut down/cancelled.
http://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.cfm?id=8450

AUSSIEABORIGINAL said:
The air is cleaner, but with natural gas fracking, the underground fresh water wells all over the U.S.A. have been heavily contaminated to the point that many families with water wells can't use them.
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That is a flat-out hoax. It simply isn't true.

"Environmentalists" just hate that the air is getting cleaner and energy is getting cheaper and more local without major influence from their "clean energy" sources. They hate that natural gas is squeezing out their favored sources.
 
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Are you talking about the proposed Las Brisas plant? If so 1) it's not a coal plant, it would run on oil (specifically petroleum coke) 2) they haven't even started building it yet and 3) the utility decided to not proceed with it.

Overall, several utilities have given up on coal power plants recently, primarily because natural gas is so much cheaper.
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I had to do some backtracking for the article I grazed across, but this is the reference:
1,300-MW Circulating Fluidized Bed Project in Texas Suspended
http://www.powermag.com/coal/1300-MW-Circulating-Fluidized-Bed-Project-in-Texas-Suspended_5335.html

There are plants built in the 1940's that are still operating.
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Agreed. Your right. As I said however, "I'm not sure that there are even any of those "oldest plants" left anywhere operating anywhere inside the U.S.A." But you are right in stating that older plants are out there. My mistake.

That's a lie. Coal contains mercury, arsenic, cadmium, uranium, thorium etc. Those pollutants don't "disappear." They end up in fly and bottom ash. Good plants can filter these, and only release a few pounds of mercury, uranium, thorium, arsenic etc a year into the air - but no scrubber is 100% efficient, so some is still released.

And the toxins that are captured still have to go somewhere. The resulting slurry goes in landfills - which means it eventually leaches back into water supplies. (Or worse, destroys a town when the slurry dam breaks.)
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Agreed that much of the byproducts are put into the landfills. Agreed that the smokestack scrubbers are NOT 100% effective. They are 90% effective. My reference was to the "clean coal" coming from the smokestacks. No "lie" was intended.
http://www.cleancoalusa.org/clean-coal-technology

That is a flat-out hoax. It simply isn't true.

"Environmentalists" just hate that the air is getting cleaner and energy is getting cheaper and more local without major influence from their "clean energy" sources. They hate that natural gas is squeezing out their favored sources.
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Ah, no, it is not a hoax. I personally have family members whose water wells were ruined. People all over the country have had their wells so contaminated that many have to get their drinking water from the nearby city reservoirs. It is not a hoax.


I haven't seen a mask yet in popular use over there that would do a damn thing against pollution. I wouldn't even use them to sand wood in my shop.
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I just said they were cute. I didn't say they worked.



My original intent in posting the pics from China was to share something that I had come across to show the terrible pollution going on there as a compared to the coal plants in the U.S.A.

The impression that I have been getting is that there will be a shortage of electricity in the U.S.A. in the near future because of our coal plants being shut down.


http://texasgreenreport.wordpress.com/2011/06/20/san-antonio-expected-to-close-coal-plant/
http://nation.foxnews.com/global-wa...a-issues-global-warming-rules-gives-ge-waiver
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/11/world/asia/11coal.html
http://www.theenergydaily.com/publi...er-Plant-Permit-Over-EPA-Objections_5614.html
http://www.statesman.com/news/news/local/austin-ballot-measure-could-allow-city-to-sell-i-1/nRND5/
 
Masks may not be just for pollution. In congested areas people may fear flu.

A mask would filter particles with or without carbon filters. I do not see the harm in them.
 
AUSSIEABORIGINAL said:
Agreed that much of the byproducts are put into the landfills. Agreed that the smokestack scrubbers are NOT 100% effective. They are 90% effective. My reference was to the "clean coal" coming from the smokestacks.
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Right - that "clean" gas contains the 10% of toxins (heavy metals etc) that the scrubbers could not remove. It is way cleaner than the plants we built 60 years ago - but coal is still our dirtiest source of electric power in terms of toxins released into the air.
 
Thanks For The Comments & Info

I just wanted to check back in and tell everyone here that I haven't forgotten about this thread. I've gotten a little bogged down and sidetracked with other stuff (again). I appreciate any comments and facts that anyone has to offer on this subject. After going back myself & doing much more research on the subject, I have realized that there is much more to this. The "Rabbit Hole" looks to run very deep here and I look forward to posting the info that I have found soon.

Thanks again for all the great comments and info guys!
 
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