Seattle
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OK, so what, was my first thought as well.
Do you think the war will be north vs south this time?
Is the US headed for another civil war?
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Do you think the war will be north vs south this time?
More likely to be facists vs freedom fighters.
Profa vs antifa.
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
Populism vs populism.
Sometimes people confess when they're trying to be clever.
People should think about the fact that one sees no difference.
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
You do know that being obscure and clever are two different things? Or do you?
It does not require any especial cleverness to comprehend what I said: People should think about the fact that someone would pretend to see no difference between fascism and its opposition, i.e., How much time do they really want to waste on such cleverness?
You do know, for instance, that posting words and contributing to a discussion are two different things. Or, do you?
"False equivalence is a logical fallacy where two, often opposing, arguments or situations are presented as equal, despite significant differences in evidence, magnitude, or ethical weight. It is a form of cognitive bias often used to create a "false balance," implying equal merit between a factual position and a baseless one. "
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
To the one, you make an especial point. To the other, do you really?
Seattle
Valued Senior Member
Yes, that is the definition of "false equivalence".
Imagine That
Acyn↱ explains:
And, yeah, the summary reads more kindly than the transcript of President Trump at the Forum Club of the Palm Beaches:
It's not like we weren't warned.
And here we find ourselves at a particular intersection between a discussion of supremacism and priority↗ among conservative voters, and consideration in this thread (2022)↑ of who would want a civil war and why. The question we might ask of history has to do with political narratives, and what the scrutiny of time and circumstance have shown over the period. There is a way of looking at it having to do with asking why certain enduring elements emerged to expression in the manner and time they did, and if a differential assertion holds that other reasons drive Trump voters, this is, somehow, where those other reasons have led.
And, yeah, imagine that.
Or: ¿Couldn't possibly, right?
Making excuses for this stuff only empowers it. "I have no idea what it will take for people to stop being shocked by how whiteness works in American society," a history professor, Keshia Blain, told us, five years ago↗. Or journalist Fabiola Cineas reminding that insurrectionist elements of the Wednesday Putsch political rallies were not taken seriously, "as white extremists are often infantilized and given room to work out their feelings and blow off steam. We are told we need to listen to them, to try to understand their plight and psychology." Blain went on to suggest, "too many people choose to be shocked because that response is easier than actually denouncing white supremacy and actively working to dismantle it."
Compared to the history since, here's President Trump waxing romantic about Confederate generals. Yeah, imagine that. And then tell me it's about inflation, or jobs, or draining the Swamp, or whatever other reason we might pretend, because we can always look at what those purported values have brought to bear, and maybe, just maybe, it's easier to just believe that it really was what it looked like.
ca. 2022:
It's only #WhatTheyVotedFor.
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See Also:
Cineas, Fabiola. "Whiteness is at the core of the insurrection". Vox. 8 January 2021. Vox.com. 2 May 2026. https://www.vox.com/2021/1/8/22221078/us-capitol-trump-riot-insurrection
Acyn↱ explains:
Trump on Civil War:
Why couldn't that have been settled? Maybe it could have been. Robert E. Lee was an amazing general. He took something that was supposed to end in a day and made it last four years. If Gettysburg didn't happen, he would've won.
Why couldn't that have been settled? Maybe it could have been. Robert E. Lee was an amazing general. He took something that was supposed to end in a day and made it last four years. If Gettysburg didn't happen, he would've won.
And, yeah, the summary reads more kindly than the transcript of President Trump at the Forum Club of the Palm Beaches:
PRESIDENT TRUMP: … and so we made it 1776. It's just special. I mean the whole place, it's a special country. But when you look at some of the movies and documentaries about the founding of our country, and all of the great people; George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, and Lincoln later, but Thomas Jefferson, all of the original Founders, and some of the ones that are the least known are actually the most important and the most interesting, actually. But when you look at all, then you have the Civil War, the Civil War was brutal. It was a brutal, I always said, Why couldn't that have been settled, and maybe it could have been. But it was a brutal war, it was supposed to last one day, and because Robert E. Lee was an amazing General, y'know, I deal with generals a lot. And I ask who was the best general, a lot of 'em say Robert E. Lee 'cause he took something that was supposed to end in one day and it went four years. And, with the exception of Gettysburg, that was not good, that was not a good one. That was not a good day for him, but, if that didn't happen he would've actually won, they were going for New York, and, they heard they were going up a hill, Harvey, just going up a hill, Robert E. Lee heard that and Stonewall Jackson was killed, this great general, and so he didn't have him, he had another general.
It's not like we weren't warned.
President Obama held his public inauguration ceremony on Martin Luther King, Jr. Day. Virginia state Senator Henry Marsh, a 79 year-old Democrat with a long history in the Civil Rights movement, traveled to Washington in order to see the nation's first black president inaugurated for a second term.
His absence left the Virginia Senate in Republican hands, by a count of 20-19. They took advantage of the moment to attempt to redistrict the state. Presuming a certain degree of entrenchment within the districts, the 20-20 split in Virginia would have tilted to favor Republicans by as much as 27-13.
Republicans pointed out that their redistricting plan would have created a new district with a majority black population; they did so by carving blacks out of Sen. Marsh's district.
On MLK Day.
And at the end of the day, the Virginia state senate adjourned in memory of General Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson.
("Cynical Politicking" #13 [2013]↗)
His absence left the Virginia Senate in Republican hands, by a count of 20-19. They took advantage of the moment to attempt to redistrict the state. Presuming a certain degree of entrenchment within the districts, the 20-20 split in Virginia would have tilted to favor Republicans by as much as 27-13.
Republicans pointed out that their redistricting plan would have created a new district with a majority black population; they did so by carving blacks out of Sen. Marsh's district.
On MLK Day.
And at the end of the day, the Virginia state senate adjourned in memory of General Thomas J. "Stonewall" Jackson.
("Cynical Politicking" #13 [2013]↗)
And here we find ourselves at a particular intersection between a discussion of supremacism and priority↗ among conservative voters, and consideration in this thread (2022)↑ of who would want a civil war and why. The question we might ask of history has to do with political narratives, and what the scrutiny of time and circumstance have shown over the period. There is a way of looking at it having to do with asking why certain enduring elements emerged to expression in the manner and time they did, and if a differential assertion holds that other reasons drive Trump voters, this is, somehow, where those other reasons have led.
And, yeah, imagine that.
Or: ¿Couldn't possibly, right?
Making excuses for this stuff only empowers it. "I have no idea what it will take for people to stop being shocked by how whiteness works in American society," a history professor, Keshia Blain, told us, five years ago↗. Or journalist Fabiola Cineas reminding that insurrectionist elements of the Wednesday Putsch political rallies were not taken seriously, "as white extremists are often infantilized and given room to work out their feelings and blow off steam. We are told we need to listen to them, to try to understand their plight and psychology." Blain went on to suggest, "too many people choose to be shocked because that response is easier than actually denouncing white supremacy and actively working to dismantle it."
Compared to the history since, here's President Trump waxing romantic about Confederate generals. Yeah, imagine that. And then tell me it's about inflation, or jobs, or draining the Swamp, or whatever other reason we might pretend, because we can always look at what those purported values have brought to bear, and maybe, just maybe, it's easier to just believe that it really was what it looked like.
ca. 2022:
We already know from a generation of rhetorical escalation that it is impossible to concede enough to these people; outright Appeasement doesn't even work. That is to say, it really does seem there are a lot of people who apparently really do want to have it out that way, and the only real question is how many. Do they have enough to bring it? Then they will. To the other, they've kind of been at it for a while. We're Americans, so we won't call it a civil war.
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It's only #WhatTheyVotedFor.
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See Also:
Cineas, Fabiola. "Whiteness is at the core of the insurrection". Vox. 8 January 2021. Vox.com. 2 May 2026. https://www.vox.com/2021/1/8/22221078/us-capitol-trump-riot-insurrection