Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

[Wizard of Whatever]

So, your beliefs are perfectly rational, built on a foundation of solid evidence, consistent results and accurate predictions?

Or perhaps, your irrational beliefs are not the first time they've been presented on the this site, or the second, third, etc. Perhaps, your irrational beliefs have already been presented and discussed in great detail and that presenting them yet again doesn't mean a closed mind.

It's a like a child in the back seat of car, "Are we there yet?" After the first couple times of trying to explain why you're not there yet, it eventually comes down to just saying no.

Perhaps you are a friggen' idiot who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Perhaps you are one who thinks he knows me, but doesn't know diddley squat.

Well just say no and stop pretending you know anything about me or anything else.

 

[(Q)]

Perhaps you are a friggen' idiot who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Perhaps. Unfortunately, I can't see my ass so I actually don't know it very well.

Perhaps you are one who thinks he knows me, but doesn't know diddley squat.

I can only know you by what you post. We are currently discussing that.

Well just say no and stop pretending you know anything about me or anything else.

I can't pretend to not know you embrace irrational beliefs supported by testimony.

 

[DaveC426913]

Perhaps you are a friggen' idiot who doesn't know his ass from a hole in the ground.

Citation please. What is your evidence that Q confuses his ass with a hole in the ground?
Peer-reviewed, if you can swing it.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Citation please. What is your evidence that Q confuses his ass with a hole in the ground?
Peer-reviewed, if you can swing it.

He thinks it's not full of sh*t like his mind.

 

[DaveC426913]

He thinks it's not full of sh*t like his mind.

You can read minds too. You know what he thinks. That's incredible.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

Perhaps. Unfortunately, I can't see my ass so I actually don't know it very well.

I can only know you by what you post. We are currently discussing that.

I can't pretend to not know you embrace irrational beliefs supported by testimony.

Irrational to you, rational to me, just like you are rational to yourself, but irrational to me.

As it can be said, irreconciable differences. We will just have to agree to absolutely disagree and call this discussion done.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

You can read minds too. You know what he thinks. That's incredible.

What he thinks comes out of his keyboard onto the forum.

 

[(Q)]

Irrational to you, rational to me, just like you are rational to yourself, but irrational to me.

As it can be said, irreconciable differences. We will just have to agree to absolutely disagree and call this discussion done.

But, if you say life after death, for example, is rational to you and irrational to me, then you must have a really good reason.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

But, if you say life after death, for example, is rational to you and irrational to me, then you must have a really good reason.

Personal experience, mainly OBEs, which showed me I am not my physical body, nor the mind.

 

[(Q)]

Personal experience, mainly OBEs, which showed me I am not my physical body, nor the mind.

While there is no evidence that the consciousness can leave the body, the cause of your "OBE" is either stress/trauma, some medical condition such as brain injury, depression or anxiety or you're on drugs.

 

[DaveC426913]

Personal experience, mainly OBEs, which showed me I am not my physical body, nor the mind.

How do you know that was not simply a hallucination?

That's the problem with personal experience. You cannot know what actually happened to you - all you know is your own interpretation of what you think happened. An anecdote - low quality data.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

While there is no evidence that the consciousness can leave the body, the cause of your "OBE" is either stress/trauma, some medical condition such as brain injury, depression or anxiety or you're on drugs.

The evidence is in the experience itself. The rest of your post is the skeptics manifesto.

 

[DaveC426913]

The evidence is in the experience itself.

You really need to read up on what evidence is.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

How do you know that was not simply a hallucination?

That's the problem with personal experience. You cannot know what actually happened to you - all you know is your own interpretation of what you think happened. An anecdote - low quality data.

I know the difference. It's easy to tell the difference. One is real the other is not.

No, I know exactly what happened. No interpretation or think what happened at all necessary. Actually better data than what I get from the physical instrument which is sometimes distorted by the mind.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

You really need to read up on what evidence is.

The evidence is in the sensing of the experience. You've traded in the evidence of your senses for the illusion of your mind.

 

[(Q)]

The evidence is in the experience itself.

The experience is contained within your own mind, nowhere else.

The rest of your post is the skeptics manifesto.

Those are medical conditions associated with people who claim to have had OBE's.

 

[DaveC426913]

I know the difference. It's easy to tell the difference. One is real the other is not.

This is circular.

No, I know exactly what happened. No interpretation or think what happened at all necessary.

Nope. You think you know. You intepret what happened to you.

Actually better data than what I get from the physical instrument which is sometimes distorted by the mind.

You have just said that what you get by your mind is more accurate than instrumentation which can distorted by the mind. That is a contradiction.

The evidence is in the sensing of the experience. You've traded in the evidence of your senses for the illusion of your mind.

Excactly what you are doing whoel saying you are not doing it.


You do realize that your senses are only as reliable as your mind's intepretation of them right?

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

This is circular.



Nope. You think you know. You intepret what happened to you.


You have just said that what you get by your mind is more accurate than instrumentation which can distorted by the mind. That is a contradiction.

It's not circular

Excactly what you are doing whoel saying you are not doing it.


You do realize that your senses are only as reliable as your mind's intepretation of them right?

Not circular, real. No think or mind involved. experience and observation.

I didn't say what I get from my mind I said what I get from the OBE experience.

 

[DaveC426913]

Not circular, real. No think or mind involved. experience and observation.

False. What you see, hear, taste, smell and touch, do not occur in your eyes ears, mouth, nose or skin.
They occur in your mind.

I didn't sat what I get from my mind I said what I get From th OBE experience.

Your OBE experience is subjective. There is no one to verify that it was not a hallucination. And, by definition, neither can you.

 

[Wizard of Whatever]

The experience is contained within your own mind, nowhere else.

Those are medical conditions associated with people who claim to have had OBE's.

The experience has nothing to do with the mind or physical body.