Is faith a reliable path to knowledge?

ThazzarBaal said:
Stick around any board long enough and you notice a constant. It's typically new not so new grand epiphanies newbies can't resist showing and telling us about. I know, been there done that ad nauseum .

Typical stuff really, all those things we think are great at first hearing or insight, only to find out that most long standing members can hardly wait to burst those grand epiphany bubbles.
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MT not allowed. There was a very long discussion and James R said enough.
 
Pinball1970 said:
MT not allowed. There was a very long discussion and @James R said enough.
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Actually there was very little "discussion" on that subject and no wonder. Very little is known about nano scale biology. There was plenty of denial and mention of my ignorance of scientific subjects but that is not discussing the subject being presented.

I concentrated on presenting the growing body of research and increasing knowledge while keeping my own comments (from ignorance) to a minimum.

So the file is large, but actual discussion on its content is very sparse. Hopefully, future viewers may find some items of interest.
 
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ThazzarBaal said:
I don't know ... When in the lab searching for a cure for new strains of viruses, there is enough trust in the process to accommodate for what some call faith. That's why the research continues.
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I agree, that's why we can use the definition of "trust" in our increasing knowledge about viruses and have faith in our ability to find antivirals.
Note the use of "quorum sensing" language to confuse and prevent viruses from becoming active.

Quorum sensing - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

p.s. Apparently AI is a whiz at finding and testing antivirals. What used to take months to test for safe effectiveness, now takes days.

Science is gaining faith in AI ability to assist in research and testing of medicines.
 
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Moderator note: Write4U has been warned - AGAIN - for posting off-topic. This is a breach of our posting guidelines. Write4U has been repeatedly warned about this, but he continues to do it.

Further infractions of this kind from him will result in double or triple the usual warning points, because this man is an incorrigible repeat offender. Enough is enough!

Due to accumulated warning points, Write4U will be taking yet another short break from sciforums.
 
Write4U said:
Actually there was very little "discussion" on that subject and no wonder.
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Write4U is lying. There was a thread on microtubules that ran to over 3000 posts!

That thread more than adequately covered the full breadth of Write4U's knowledge about that topic. In the entire thread, Write4U was unable to convincingly make a case for his core claim that microtubules are responsible for human consciousness. The thread became repetitive and bereft of any new arguments from Write4U, so it was closed.

Write4U should stop telling lies.
 
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About faith.
Godel proved that in any complete system there are true propositions that can't be proved true. Extendible to incomplete systems with the addition of 'may'. Although this was proved for math systems it would seem also to extend to any rational system of thought.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
About faith.
Godel proved that in any complete system there are true propositions that can't be proved true. Extendible to incomplete systems with the addition of 'may'. Although this was proved for math systems it would seem also to extend to any rational system of thought.
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But faith is not rational.
 
(Q) said:
Such as what truths?
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Some possible unprovables.
Life after death from this side of death.
There is or is not a good god with ultimate power who cares from this side of death.
Truths that can only be experienced but not proven conceptually., such as I am neither body nor mind, yet I exist.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
Some possible unprovables.
Life after death from this side of death.
There is or is not a good god with ultimate power who cares from this side of death.
Truths that can only be experienced but not proven conceptually., such as I am neither body nor mind, yet I exist.
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So basically, a handful of irrational beliefs. Not likely to be accepted by sane people.
 
Wizard of Whatever said:
My beliefs are not irrational to my peers, only to really irrational beings.
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So, your beliefs are perfectly rational, built on a foundation of solid evidence, consistent results and accurate predictions?
Wizard of Whatever said:
You have shown on this thread that you are the one whose mind is closed.
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Or perhaps, your irrational beliefs are not the first time they've been presented on the this site, or the second, third, etc. Perhaps, your irrational beliefs have already been presented and discussed in great detail and that presenting them yet again doesn't mean a closed mind.

It's a like a child in the back seat of car, "Are we there yet?" After the first couple times of trying to explain why you're not there yet, it eventually comes down to just saying no.
 
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