Is CMB Wrong? Is Big Bang Wrong?

Pinball1970 said:
I'm confusing the hell out of myself on this trying to work out Z . I have seen three different calculations for this, one involves wavelength (above) one Kelvin and the other which looks like a Lorentz transform.

Also, by the time you get to Z=14, our most distant early Galaxy you are near the top of the Red shift curve against time, ie already near the BB, which makes sense as Z=14 equates to a galaxy approx 300 million years old.
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Пин, а где находилась Вселенная до момента Большого Взрыва? Ну, в смысле в чём она болталась?
 
exchemist said:
Hmm I see what you mean. That would imply that the entire CMBR signal could be due to these early galaxies. Which would blow a huge hole in the theory, obviously.

Such a huge range in potential intensity cries out for further study to narrow it down.
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My thoughts exactly. Perhaps this is keeping cosmologists up at night as they feverishly try to refute the paper.
 
exchemist said:
Eh? 300m yrs isn’t much, compared to the age of the universe. It’s only the end of the Carboniferous on Earth. Surely we can see further back than that?
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No! Sorry I meant a signal from a galaxy that formed 300m years after the big bang.
Actually the official record is now 280 million years.
 
DaveC426913 said:
That means that, at last scattering, the (observable) universe would already be 80 million light years across when it was only 370,000 years old.
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Now you got me checking myself.
I checked to see if my earlier post was right.
Ethan Siegel has a picture showing Z = 1100 to be 46 billion light years distant from us today.
Diameter of observable universe to day... 2* 46 billion ly = 92 billion ly.
Rough ball park figures... Z= 1100

And so diameter of observable universe back then was... 92 billion ly / 1100 = 83.6 million ly.

~ Your 80 million ly to My 83.6 million ly. ~
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Please do not post nonsense. Claims should be supported by evidence and/or coherent arguments.
There is no such thing as any "diameter" to the observable universe from its distant horizon in time to the observer on Earth! Observed strictly 1-dimensional time and light-time, geometrically 13.7-billion years, 13.7-billion light-years, and maybe longer geometrically in line from observed "there-then" to the observer on Earth's "here-now." In-line contraction from big-boy point "there-then" to equally big-boy point "here-now". No observed or observable diameter in that contraction big-boy point A to big-boy point B, and return expansion big-boy point B to big-boy point A. A strictly 2-way 1-dimensional string and street in time and light-time (space is NOT observable, NEVER observable, except as described by Einstein below)!!!!!

"It takes 'three dimensions' to describe a 'point'!" -- Albert Einstein. (The 'point' (0-point) the 'fourth dimension' of the 3-dimensionality (0-, 1-, 2-, 3-)).
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"Si vis pacem, para bellum (if you want peace, prepare for war)." -- Ancient Latin adage.
 
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Atlan0001 said:
There is no such thing as any "diameter" to the observable universe from its distant horizons in time to the observer on Earth! Observed strictly 1-dimensional time and light-time, geometrically 13.7-billion years, 13.7-billion light-years, and maybe longer geometrically in line from "there-then" to "here-now." No observed or observable diameter!!!!!
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No. 13.8 billion years is the age, distance to furthest galaxies observed is about 30 plus billion light years
 
Atlan0001 said:
There is no such thing as any "diameter" to the observable universe from its distant horizon in time to the observer on Earth! Observed strictly 1-dimensional time and light-time, geometrically 13.7-billion years, 13.7-billion light-years, and maybe longer geometrically in line from observed "there-then" to the observer on Earth's "here-now." In-line contraction from big-boy point "there-then" to equally big-boy point "here-now". No observed or observable diameter in that contraction big-boy point A to big-boy point B, and return expansion big-boy point B to big-boy point A. A strictly 2-way 1-dimensional string and street in time and light-time (space is NOT observable, NEVER observable, except as described by Einstein below)!!!!!

"It takes 'three dimensions' to describe a 'point'!" -- Albert Einstein. (The 'point' (0-point) the 'fourth dimension' of the 3-dimensionality (0-, 1-, 2-, 3-)).
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"Si vis pacem, para bellum (if you want peace, prepare for war)." -- Ancient Latin adage.
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Two points, and two points only, diametrically opposing, 13.7-billion years (13.7-billion light years, and maybe longer geometrically, diametrically opposing)! One and one only spacetime point outside into one and one only spacetime point inside! Alternatively, on the naked singularity of the two way string, the two way street, one point inside out to one point outside!

I have no intention of ceasing to fight for the physic, and physics, of 'DEJA VU', the unobserved and unobservable [OTHER] present (future) / future (present) universes (plural)!
 
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Atlan0001 said:
Two points, and two points only, diametrically opposing, 13.7-billion years (13.7-billion light years, and maybe longer geometrically, diametrically opposing)! One and one only spacetime point outside into one and one only spacetime point inside! Alternatively, on the naked singularity of the two way string, the two way street, one point inside out to one point outside!

I have no intention of ceasing to fight for the physic, and physics, of 'DEJA VU', the unobserved and unobservable [OTHER] present (future) / future (present) universes (plural)!
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Previous record holder, https://esawebb.org/images/jades4/
 
Pinball1970 said:
You are not accounting for the expansion of the universe. The light we see from MoM-z14 has taken 13 billion years to reach us but during that time the universe has expanded so the actual distance from us now is over 30 gly.
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The unobserved rounding, 1/2 light, previously termed nonsensical gibberish and pseudoscientific rubbish!

"Communication across the revolutionary divide is inevitably partial." -- Physicist Thomas S. Kuhn. (And I was called a purveyor of nonsense for stating there are unobserved space and time universes, the expanse of universe in expansion to many universes ("many worlds") in divide (sic) . . . and here you are doing exactly what I was doing and not being called "nonsensical" for it!
 
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Atlan0001 said:
The unobserved rounding, 1/2 light, previously termed nonsensical gibberish and pseudoscientific rubbish!

"Communication across the revolutionary divide is inevitably partial." -- Physicist Thomas S. Kuhn. (And I was called a purveyor of nonsense for stating there are unobserved space and time universes, a universe in expansion . . . and here you are doing exactly what I was doing and not being called for it!
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Do you agree the universe is expanding?
 
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