Is CMB Wrong? Is Big Bang Wrong?

early galaxy formation may be the cause of the cmb and not the hot plasma of radiation once thought
"...ETGs account for 1.4% up to the full present-day CMB energy density."

(Not sure if that parses the way they meant it to.)

So, "1.4%" is not "all". We may modify our model slightly. Such is the way of active fields of research.
 
"...ETGs account for 1.4% up to the full present-day CMB energy density."

(Not sure if that parses the way they meant it to.)

So, "1.4%" is not "all". We may modify our model slightly. Such is the way of active fields of research.
Yes the key word is “contamination”. They speak of the CMB being contaminated with a degree of this “foreground” radiation, i.e. in front of the “real” CMB from the plasma era.

So in answer to the thread title, no, the Big Bang model is not wrong, it is just another source of contamination that has to be subtracted off in order to get at the pure spectrum from the plasma epoch.
 
"...ETGs account for 1.4% up to the full present-day CMB energy density."

(Not sure if that parses the way they meant it to.)

So, "1.4%" is not "all". We may modify our model slightly. Such is the way of active fields of research.
Как выглядит точка отсчёта в этой модели?
 
Perhaps, I'm getting confused regarding their conclusions and graph...

What results from these estimates, naturally but unexpectedly, is as follows. Under the most conservative assumptions -- i.e.,assuming that the average ETG separation (⟨0⟩) in local volumes applies to the whole Universe -- the formation of massive ETGs mayaccount for 1.4% of the observed (present-day) CMB photon energy density. If, instead, ⟨0⟩ corresponds to that inferred around ≈ 2[32], then the cumulative energy density of massive ETGs would be of the same order as that of the observed CMB

1-s2.0-S0550321325001403-gr005.jpg
 
Perhaps, I'm getting confused regarding their conclusions and graph...

What results from these estimates, naturally but unexpectedly, is as follows. Under the most conservative assumptions -- i.e.,assuming that the average ETG separation (⟨0⟩) in local volumes applies to the whole Universe -- the formation of massive ETGs mayaccount for 1.4% of the observed (present-day) CMB photon energy density. If, instead, ⟨0⟩ corresponds to that inferred around ≈ 2[32], then the cumulative energy density of massive ETGs would be of the same order as that of the observed CMB

1-s2.0-S0550321325001403-gr005.jpg
Hmm I see what you mean. That would imply that the entire CMBR signal could be due to these early galaxies. Which would blow a huge hole in the theory, obviously.

Such a huge range in potential intensity cries out for further study to narrow it down.
 
Perhaps, I'm getting confused regarding their conclusions and graph...

What results from these estimates, naturally but unexpectedly, is as follows. Under the most conservative assumptions -- i.e.,assuming that the average ETG separation (⟨0⟩) in local volumes applies to the whole Universe -- the formation of massive ETGs mayaccount for 1.4% of the observed (present-day) CMB photon energy density. If, instead, ⟨0⟩ corresponds to that inferred around ≈ 2[32], then the cumulative energy density of massive ETGs would be of the same order as that of the observed CMB

1-s2.0-S0550321325001403-gr005.jpg
It's a cosmology paper so... please feel free to jump in and help me out.

We have an event around 380,000 whereby the Universe/Hydrogen had expanded and cooled enough to hang onto it's electron, photons released. CMBR.

Next event first stars and early galaxy formation, re-ionization the ETGs.

These are events separated by process and time, will that not be enough to be able to factor out the signal?
 
It's a cosmology paper so... please feel free to jump in and help me out.

We have an event around 380,000 whereby the Universe/Hydrogen had expanded and cooled enough to hang onto it's electron, photons released. CMBR.

Next event first stars and early galaxy formation, re-ionization the ETGs.

These are events separated by process and time, will that not be enough to be able to factor out the signal?
This is quite a technical paper. I think we would benefit from a real astronomer's opinion on what on what it signifies. Perhaps someone like Janus58 , if he is around somewhere.

Meanwhile, do you happen to know the z value at which the surface of last scattering is believed to have occurred?
 
Meanwhile, do you happen to know the z value at which the surface of last scattering is believed to have occurred?
"This is the cosmic microwave background. Since by looking at higher and higher redshift objects, we are looking further and further back in time, we can view the observation of CMB photons as imaging a uniform "surface of last scattering" at a redshift of 1100. "
Ned's site at caltech
 
This is quite a technical paper. I think we would benefit from a real astronomer's opinion on what on what it signifies. Perhaps someone like Janus58 , if he is around somewhere.

Meanwhile, do you happen to know the z value at which the surface of last scattering is believed to have occurred?
It's a ridiculous number 1100.
 
If I have been understanding red shifts rightly, it means (in this case) the universe has expanded 1100 times its size since the photons were emitted at last scattering.
 
If I have been understanding red shifts rightly, it means (in this case) the universe has expanded 1100 times its size since the photons were emitted at last scattering.
That means that, at last scattering, the (observable) universe would already be 80 million light years across when it was only 370,000 years old.
 
"This is the cosmic microwave background. Since by looking at higher and higher redshift objects, we are looking further and further back in time, we can view the observation of CMB photons as imaging a uniform "surface of last scattering" at a redshift of 1100. "
Ned's site at caltech
OK thanks, that puts the z values of 15 or so they mention in the paper into context. That’s foreground all right!
 
I'm confusing the hell out of myself on this trying to work out Z . I have seen three different calculations for this, one involves wavelength (above) one Kelvin and the other which looks like a Lorentz transform.

Also, by the time you get to Z=14, our most distant early Galaxy you are near the top of the Red shift curve against time, ie already near the BB, which makes sense as Z=14 equates to a galaxy approx 300 million years old.
 
I'm confusing the hell out of myself on this trying to work out Z . I have seen three different calculations for this, one involves wavelength (above) one Kelvin and the other which looks like a Lorentz transform.

Also, by the time you get to Z=14, our most distant early Galaxy you are near the top of the Red shift curve against time, ie already near the BB, which makes sense as Z=14 equates to a galaxy approx 300 million years old.
Eh? 300m yrs isn’t much, compared to the age of the universe. It’s only the end of the Carboniferous on Earth. Surely we can see further back than that?
 
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