Iraqi Shias protest against US troops

Rather, yours.

Using your form of debate, even less so being Indian.

There are far beyond Lal and Gauthier - neither of which you have rebutted here, to be honest - but given your new, modified terms of debate, I see little reason to bring them up either, since you cannot give them an honest treatment. This is not unusual to your case, of course. I shall therefore continue on as I have been. You also need to illustrate my - as a non-theist - bias, while I have ample illustration of your own.

Not really all of these "histories" are linked in some way to the VHP. However, I studied history over 15 years ago, before the Hindu nationalist movement gained a foothold, so my sources were more accurate. You can believe it or not.
 
Bloodshed is common among all peoples, but the Asian countries (like Indonesia, Malaysia, Muslims in Thailand, Burma, China, India) were not converted by force.

Really? They seem to have forgotten that lesson these days.

Maybe their sense of history is just off.
 
Not really all of these "histories" are linked in some way to the VHP. However, I studied history over 15 years ago, before the Hindu nationalist movement gained a foothold, so my sources were more accurate. You can believe it or not.

As you can believe me, or not. Fair's fair, isn't it? And the VHP is uniformly evil? They were linked for certain to the train massacre? As - again, using your rules here, Sam - the horde of Kashmiri violence is linked to islamist groups? I know who I'd pick to believe on balance.
 
As you can believe me, or not. Fair's fair, isn't it? And the VHP is uniformly evil? They were linked for certain to the train massacre? As - again, using your rules here, Sam - the horde of Kashmiri violence is linked to islamist groups? I know who I'd pick to believe on balance.

I see you flaunt your ignorance.:rolleyes:

Please educate yourself.

Attacks on Christians
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...+Hindu+Parishad+attack+Christians&btnG=Search
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...l&hs=W1S&q=+burn+christians+India&btnG=Search

Attacks on Muslims
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...hwa+Hindu+Parishad+attack+Muslims&btnG=Search

And this isn't even all the news.

We have these guys getting roaring drunk and showing up at our houses at all hours to collect money for "religious purposes"
 
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Not really all of these "histories" are linked in some way to the VHP. However, I studied history over 15 years ago, before the Hindu nationalist movement gained a foothold, so my sources were more accurate. You can believe it or not.
sure you did. that's why you didn't know the japanese government was controlled by america after ww2.
 
You say Americans (not Christians) are fighting for power in Iraq, and you say that Muslims are fighting for the same reasons in the southeast Asian countries, hmmmmmm, so Sam, you admit the Islam has a political agenda, and you didn't even know that you admitted it. You should be more careful.
 
You say Americans (not Christians) are fighting for power in Iraq, and you say that Muslims are fighting for the same reasons in the southeast Asian countries, hmmmmmm, so Sam, you admit the Islam has a political agenda, and you didn't even know that you admitted it. You should be more careful.

I have to make allowances for your lack of geographical knowledge.:)
 
Ditto. :) I recommend you start with the number of attacks, the funding for the VHP, their % support in the Hindu population, and how many people they've actually killed.

They have worldwide support among Hindu fundamentalists including a branch in the United States and receive their funding mostly from Hindu Americans.:rolleyes:

They are the militant wing of the Bharatiya Janata Party which has had two terms as the goevrnment, run the RSS and Bajrang Dal which are youth military and religious training organisations and have also started a women's armed wing, but I forget the name.

The RSS if you remember, is the group to which Godse belonged, who shot Gandhi. They have deep roots in Indian society, but fortunately most Indians are not fundamentalists and NRIs are not permitted to vote.
 
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And how tightly are Lal and Gauthier linked to the VHP, exactly? And those who disagree with Lal and Gauthier - they aren't linked to anything, are they?

The VHP, bas as they are, don't strike me as the type to initiate violence; rather, they seem to be one of those genuine offshoots of violence caused by fundamentalists of a different sort in India and their western frontier. I would say this falls a bit astride the point.
 
And how tightly are Lal and Gauthier linked to the VHP, exactly? And those who disagree with Lal and Gauthier - they aren't linked to anything, are they?

The VHP, bas as they are, don't strike me as the type to initiate violence; rather, they seem to be one of those genuine offshoots of violence caused by fundamentalists of a different sort in India and their western frontier. I would say this falls a bit astride the point.

Lal is the historian of the BJP, he wrote a lot of revised history and changed a lot of textbooks while they were in power, they were all changed back after.

Gautier is the BJP reporter in India.

And the VHP are absolute terrorists. They whitewashed themselves considerably and made themselves a packet while the BJP were in power, but all that was used to fund their youth military wings and make international bases. Don't be fooled by the political facade. They are the Taliban behind the Mujahideen.
 
Lal is the historian of the BJP, he wrote a lot of revised history and changed a lot of textbooks while they were in power, they were all changed back after.

Gautier is the BJP reporter in India.

And the VHP are absolute terrorists. They whitewashed themselves considerably and made themselves a packet while the BJP were in power, but all that was used to fund their youth military wings and make international bases. Don't be fooled by the political facade. They are the Taliban behind the Mujahideen.

So...they're as bad as Hamas and Hezbollah?

K', noted. What's the actual BJP-VHP link then?
 
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