On what benchmark? Whose definition? What history? Where? This is merest propaganda.
Then the argument for islam has failed, utterly.
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On what benchmark? Whose definition? What history? Where? This is merest propaganda.
Then the argument for islam has failed, utterly.
Nope, your lack of knowledge about Islam in Asia is glaringly obvious.
More lack of knowledge. Being Iranian is not a guarantee of being knowledgeable.
I think I have already refuted the points as and when you made them, I see no point in repetition, saying it twice does not make it more true. Your sources were Lal and Gautier who have been pulled up by the Indian historians for their revisionist history, constant repetition of their work only underlines your refusal to reconsider your bias (which is also glaringly obvious, btw). I see no reason to participate in it.
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Like I said, you are severely undereducated in the religion or perhaps have read too much of propaganda in the West.
Hey Sam, how many countries have become predominantly Muslim without severe bloodshed before it happened?
Sorry Sam you said the words and in some Xian faiths that means you are a Xian - forever!
Done. So you can be responsible for yourself - and never do anything Xian again, and you are still Xian.
Haa haaa haaa - you're Xian!
I know Iranians that are very religious as well. We do not talk about religion because as soon as I ask them the sorts of questions I asked you, in your encyclopedia, they go blank - just like you! One Arab actually told me his Imam didn't want him thinking about those question so I should just accept Mohammed because the Sun is proof of God.
The Sun!
?!?!?
Yeah, pretty simple ... minded anyway.
Accept Mohammad? Jesus Christ... it reminded me of Jesus Christ!
Back to the Book: I'll give the site a read. But, do you have a book in mind? I read a pretty clear online source once about the area that is now Pakistan, well researched and full of citation. I'll try to look for that again.
Michael
Sorry Sam you said the words and in some Xian faiths that means you are a Xian - forever!
Done. So you can be responsible for yourself - and never do anything Xian again, and you are still Xian.
Haa haaa haaa - you're Xian!
Michael
Do you think I am anti-Christian? Jesus was a Muslim, you know.
Any of those books are fine. They won't endorse your views, you might want to read a right wing revisionist history of Islam for that.
As for your encyclopedia answers, why don't you do me a favor and search them out in my posts?
I remember there were two or three atheists baying for my blood in that thread.
Ask them how Islam spread to Persia. Ask them why Farsi is almost completely Arabic. Ask them why they write in Arabic - what happened to their language. Ask them if they think the Arabs were an enlightened people that simple thought of only the goodness of the Persians and wanted to bring them truth. Ask them why Persians are Shia and why Arabia is Sunnie? Also, ask them if they support their government? If a secular democracy is better than an Islamic Republic. Ask them if the Kurds and Arabs in Iran should be allowed to vote to succeed from Iran and become separate countries.I have Iranian friends too, and they are not atheists.
I'm really curious what they say,
Michael
You're still XianDo you think I am anti-Christian? Jesus was a Muslim, you know.
Any of those books are fine. They won't endorse your views, you might want to read a right wing revisionist history of Islam for that.
Those books mainly covered SE Asia - I asked for Northern India and India proper. Not Malaysia or Indonesia.
Most of them are interested in science and not in history or religion.
I think only atheists have a thirst to learn so much about religion, I know I learned a lot more on this site.
Hey IAC how many countries have become predominantly Xian without severe bloodshed before it happened?
Oh, maybe ZERO
Just over a tea sometime, they are your friends it shouldn't be a problem for conversation should it?Most of them are interested in science and not in history or religion.
I think only atheists have a thirst to learn so much about religion, I know I learned a lot more on this site.
You're still Xian
Those books mainly covered SE Asia - I asked for Northern India and India proper. Not Malaysia or Indonesia.
I haven't come across a book that deals exclusively with India. Most Muslims in India arfe on the coasts so I would think that the conversions were similar to what happened in other SE Asian countries and the history of Islam in the North is explained in the link I gave you. Its a neutral source so it should be pretty accurate.
No we spend a lot of time bitching about the US, but religious conversations are actually pretty uncommon in Muslims.
I'll ask but I'm pretty sure they will say, who knows! like most other Muslims I have met.
All the Asian ones.
3 posts and still no answer.
hey sam can you spell intellectual dishonesty?
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i see i see.
Hey Michael, name the countries which became predominantly Christian supposedly only after severe bloodshed.
Sam, bloodshed is common against non Muslims in the Asian ones too.
Rather, yours.
Using your form of debate, even less so being Indian.
I think I have already refuted the points as and when you made them, I see no point in repetition, saying it twice does not make it more true. Your sources were Lal and Gautier who have been pulled up by the Indian historians for their revisionist history, constant repetition of their work only underlies your refusal to reconsider your bias (which is also glaringly obvious, btw). I see no reason to participate in it.
There are far beyond Lal and Gauthier - neither of which you have rebutted here, to be honest - but given your new, modified terms of debate, I see little reason to bring them up either, since you cannot give them an honest treatment. This is not unusual to your case, of course. I shall therefore continue on as I have been. You also need to illustrate my - as a non-theist - bias, while I have ample illustration of your own.
Bloodshed is common among all peoples, but the Asian countries (like Indonesia, Malaysia, Muslims in Thailand, Burma, China, India) were not converted by force.