Did you not read post 128? Was it unclear? It must have been I suppose or you wouldn't have asked me this. Hmmm. Not sure where I've gone wrong. As I said in re-reading it made sense to me. material seems to be part of the necessary conditions for consciousness, but does not fully explain it or even allow for it... hence my inital "soft objection" like I said, which I think culminated in my comments in 128. Meh. examine closely please.