Intrinsic Value

[Gustav]

interest is piqued so....

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/prop-attitude-reports/index.html#return-1

de re/de dicto and other greeky stuff

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[Enmos]

only when the intrinsic value is frustrated

It doesn't exist.

 

[lightgigantic]

It doesn't exist.

I take it you are frustrated then

 

[Enmos]

I take it you are frustrated then

Yes with you atm.
Have you read this thread ? Everyone agrees..

 

[nietzschefan]

Of course it isn't practical lol
If you think it's interesting you might want to have a look at my thread "Nothing really matters" in which they all disagree with me. But here they all agree with the notion that intrinsic value doesn't exist.. go figure.. :shrug:

I saw the thread and it was 9 pages...screw that. Anyways I just thought "Nothing really matters....ya pretty much", and moved on.

 

[Enmos]

I saw the thread and it was 9 pages...screw that. Anyways I just thought "Nothing really matters....ya pretty much", and moved on.

lol ok, thanks for your view on it anyway

 

[lightgigantic]

Yes with you atm.
Have you read this thread ? Everyone agrees..

truth is arrived at through a vote?
kind of scary ....

 

[Enmos]

truth is arrived at through a vote?
kind of scary ....

No, I'm just making you aware of the fact that you just called everyone here frustrated.

 

[lightgigantic]

No, I'm just making you aware of the fact that you just called everyone here frustrated.

If they haven't clicked on that happiness is a driving force behind living it doesn't seem to leave much by default ....

 

[Enmos]

If they haven't clicked on that happiness is a driving force behind living it doesn't seem to leave much by default ....

Define "happy". Are ants happy, plants.. ?

 

[lightgigantic]

Define "happy". Are ants happy, plants.. ?

yes
plants and ants are also happy to be alive (ie desire to seek the pleasant and avoid the unpleasant)

 

[Enmos]

yes
plants and ants are also happy to be alive

And you know this how ? Do you have any evidence of plants having emotions ?

 

[Enmos]

ie desire to seek the pleasant and avoid the unpleasant

To be able to avoid unpleasantness does not equal happiness.

 

[lightgigantic]

To be able to avoid unpleasantness does not equal happiness.

if your head was dunked under water for 5 minutes you would find it quite pleasant to be pulled up again

 

[Enmos]

seeking pleasantness does however

Plants seek pleasantness ?? Where did you get that ?
Do you think a plant can evaluate a situation as pleasant ? Or is it merely that it does good under certain circumstances ?
And what if the situation isn't 'pleasant', does it pack up and leave ? Or do certain survival system spring into life (certain genes are switches off and others are switched on to cope with the changes) ?
Plants do not seek pleasantness, they just grow where they can.

 

[Enmos]

if your head was dunked under water for 5 minutes you would find it quite pleasant to be pulled up again

And do you think I would be happy then ? lol

 

[lightgigantic]

And you know this how ? Do you have any evidence of plants having emotions ?

studies have been done to evidence creating different "emotional settings" affect plant growth - Jagadish Bose comes to mind ...

 

[Enmos]

studies have been done to evidence creating different "emotional settings" affect plant growth - Jagadish Bose comes to mind ...

Er.. I'm not even going to answer that..
Bye now..

 

[lightgigantic]

Er.. I'm not even going to answer that..
Bye now..

g'night

 

[greenberg]

interest is piqued so....

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/prop-attitude-reports/index.html#return-1

de re/de dicto and other greeky stuff

if relevant, drag into discussion
i wanna learn

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